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Your neuroses stop where others' individual, sovereign temples begin.
Moreover if you want to improve adoption of a vaccine for measles--which most on this message board actually symptomatically contracted without a vaccine without collapsing in the street gutter--then separate it from the mumps and rubella constituents of an MMR vax that has seen a massive rise in permanent disfigurement. Easy enough.
Wakefield is a fraud. There was not a "cover-up" of anything by the CDC.
There are no confirmed deaths caused by Gardasil.
There is no "massive rise in disfigurement" from the MMR. Serious complications due to the vaccine are extremely rare.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
This outbreak is at an immigration detention facility and the outbreak stemmed from a migrant. Nine out of 22 cases were among staff who likely would have been vaccinated as children or, if older, had measles as children. The article states that many have gotten vaccinated (again) while they try to track down their proof of immunity, ie., childhood vaccination records.
Since may employees have declined to provide proof of immunity it is just as reasonable to suspect they are not vaccinated as to assume they were.
What we do not know is how many vaccinated people who have been exposed during this outbreak did not get the disease. More about that below.
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Originally Posted by skepticratic
Interestingly enough, they won't work if too few aren't getting vaccinated. If everyone has a measles vaccination the chances of anyone getting measles are astronomically low. Basically impossible. But if only 60% got vaccinated, that 40% is now susceptible to measles. And the way disease works is that it evolves. It mutates to become stronger, possibly enough that the vaccine no longer works. We're immune to measles as it is once we're vaccinated. But if it changes, and the more people who get it the more likely a change will occur, we stop being immune.
Basically, the anti-vaxers are not only stupid, they're selfish. And responsible for people getting illness that are 100% preventable.
High vaccination rates do provide herd immunity. Measles virus does not mutate rapidly, which is why most vaccinated people are immune for life.
People who get measles despite being vaccinated are folks who did not respond to the vaccine by making protective antibodies, not because the virus is not susceptible to the vaccine.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
So on one hand you claim that if most people are vaccinated, the chance of anyone getting measles is "astronomically low". How do you explain outbreaks that have occurred in populations with 99% vaccination rates such as has occurred in places like China, for example?
On the other hand you claim that the measles virus mutates making vaccines ineffective and if what you say were true why would you blame "antivaxxers" for this?
Measles is not 100% preventable, even with vaccines.
High vaccination rates will not prevent an exposed, susceptible person (one who has either not responded to the vaccine or one who was never vaccinated) from being infected. What high vaccination rates do is prevent spread from person to person. That is basic epidemiology, which you have indicated in the past that you have no interest in understanding.
Since you have posted in many threads about vaccines, you should know by now why outbreaks occur in highly vaccinated populations. That you bring it up now suggests you are being deliberately obtuse.
We have done this little exercise before, but I will repeat it, since you seem to have difficulty remembering it.
Take 1000 people and vaccinate 95% of them against measles: 950. Measles vaccine is about 97% effective after two doses. That means about 28 of the 950 vaccinated people are still susceptible to measles.
There are 50 unvaccinated people.
Now expose all 1000 people to measles.
About 90% of susceptible people will get measles if exposed: 90% of the 28 susceptible vaccinated people is 26 people who catch measles. 90% of 50 unvaccinated people is 45 who get measles.
However, of the 950 vaccinated people, 924 (97%) did not get measles. Of the 50 unvaccinated people, only 5 (10%) did not get the disease. You are at 9.7 (97 divided by 10) times greater risk to get measles if you are not vaccinated.
“There are a lot of people who have been exposed, and then we’ve had a few breakdowns” in immunity, Pyritz said. “Not many, but a few.”
It might fall on deaf ears but worth one try. Enough of a breakdown to spread the Measles.
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Originally Posted by PoppySead
The stupid staff that spread it was vaccinated. I doubt they'd like to be lumped into the anti-vax crowd for no reason. Ouch.
But, I agree with the rest, it's accurate.
I'm sure any under vaccination around there has been remedied by now.
Some vaccinated people have gotten the disease, but they are much less likely to spread it to someone else.They tend to have much milder disease. Sometimes the rash lasts only a few hours. It will be interesting to see who gave it to whom after the CDC does its evaluation. It is much more likely that it is the unvaccinated people who are spreading it.
Some employees are not cooperating with requests to demonstrate that they are immune. All of the inmates have been vaccinated.
This outbreak is at an immigration detention facility and the outbreak stemmed from a migrant. Nine out of 22 cases were among staff who likely would have been vaccinated as children or, if older, had measles as children. The article states that many have gotten vaccinated (again) while they try to track down their proof of immunity, ie., childhood vaccination records.
Much as I hate to say this, because it dates me, those who had measles as kids are all nearing retirement age. The official CDC policy is that anyone born before 1957 is considered immune b/c virtually everyone got it then. These people are all 60+ years old now. Anyone who got vaccinated during this outbreak while trying to track down their own proof of immunity would have either been given a record (best practice) or can get said record from the provider, as this is very recent data. So they're not among the 40% refusing to produce records.
So on one hand you claim that if most people are vaccinated, the chance of anyone getting measles is "astronomically low". How do you explain outbreaks that have occurred in populations with 99% vaccination rates such as has occurred in places like China, for example?
On the other hand you claim that the measles virus mutates making vaccines ineffective and if what you say were true why would you blame "antivaxxers" for this?
Measles is not 100% preventable, even with vaccines.
Of course vaccines aren't miracle cures. But the results are still astronomically low. What I said hold up. Astronomically low still means the possibility of failure exists in the right conditions. As it turns out, 99% vaccination rate would increase the chances of failure than what we'd see in 100% vaccination rates.
Which leads to my next point, yes, I blame anti-vaxxers. In order for a disease to mutate to be more dangerous to humans, it would need a human host. If measles infected a dog (which I'm actually pretty sure is impossible), it wouldn't suddenly be more dangerous to humans but dogs would be more at risk. Meaning in that 99% vaccination rate, when that 1% becomes infected, a risk for the virus to mutate increases, which can then mean that 99% is no longer immune because what they were immunized to is no longer the threat in instead something else is.
So rather than doing the principled thing and say what Rand Paul said, you lied about it. You never researched what Rand Paul said.
Rand Paul -One of the greatest medical discoveries of all times was the vaccines, particularly for smallpox. And if you want to read a story, it’s called The Speckled Monster, it’s an amazing story, it was all done voluntary.
But people came in by the droves. George Washington wouldn’t let his wife visit until she got vaccinated. So I’m all for vaccines. But I’m also for freedom.
I’m also a little concerned about how they’re bunched up. My kids had all of their vaccines, and even if the science doesn’t say bunching them up is a problem, I ought to have the right to spread out my vaccines out a little bit at the very least.
It's about freedom and fighting against the use of force when no ones rights have been violated. Rand Paul supporters aren't the stupid ones here.
We've had what, one measles death in the United States in the past 15 years? Way too much hysteria revolving around something that's statistically unimportant and not a serious risk to your health. The big corporations do a great job of getting the masses to tremble and support their corporate mandates. It's sad.
We've had what, one measles death in the United States in the past 15 years? Way too much hysteria revolving around something that's statistically unimportant and not a serious risk to your health. The big corporations do a great job of getting the masses to tremble and support their corporate mandates. It's sad.
The US was declared measles free in 2000. Since then, all cases have been imported. Usually, the importation involves a non-immune traveler picking up measles in another country and bringing it back here. Occasionally, a traveler from another country brings it into the US. In this case, it was a prisoner.
However, the important thing to remember is that the reason we have no measles in the US is because of vaccination. If we quit vaccinating, we'd go back to the days when everyone got it, and there were 450-500 deaths a year, plus about 48,000 hospitalizations, and about 4000 or so cases of measles encephalitis per year. That is the most serious complication, and can cause mental retardation. Measles | History of Measles | CDC
Anti-science and anti-intellectualism strikes again! And these workers are paying for it now. Everyone should be getting their basic vaccines.
That's what you get with an open border along with lice and bedbugs like people here never knew before. Let's get the person elected that wants to secure that border and we will be protecting our citizens in yet another way by doing so.
The refugees are bringing in TB, for which there is no vaccination.
My DIL came in from a foreign country legally and she wasn't carrying diseases and had her vaccines, this is the protection of bringing people in within the standards previously set.
I hope this helps people understand that we need to think about protecting our citizens, especially our children and closing the southern border, as well as, bringing in only people that meet the standards set to protect the citizens of our country.
Isn't it past time we put our citizens well-being first? Trump will move on this since he appears to be the only one that has a clue what the average person is dealing with and wants to preserve our way of life for his future generations.
We must stop the disease, bugs and God only knows what and keep it outside our borders. Many of the other countries have "stuff" that we have never even experienced but will if we let this continue.
Watch the areas where these illnesses and diseases break out and you'll see the pattern. Also know that there are states where you would think the illegals/refugees aren't, but they are here too! Lots of them!
We've had what, one measles death in the United States in the past 15 years? Way too much hysteria revolving around something that's statistically unimportant and not a serious risk to your health. The big corporations do a great job of getting the masses to tremble and support their corporate mandates. It's sad.
So keep those un vaccinated away from mine -simple
Immigration detention center filled with people having measles and TB. Now we know why there was an Ellis Island. Back then, these people were sent back to their country. Now we give them a green card, money, an EBT card, put them on a bus and dump them in YOUR community.
So on one hand you claim that if most people are vaccinated, the chance of anyone getting measles is "astronomically low". How do you explain outbreaks that have occurred in populations with 99% vaccination rates such as has occurred in places like China, for example?
On the other hand you claim that the measles virus mutates making vaccines ineffective and if what you say were true why would you blame "antivaxxers" for this?
Measles is not 100% preventable, even with vaccines.
But vaccinations have dramatically decreased the rates of those diseases. That is indisputable
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