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Old 07-10-2016, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Largest US measles outbreak in Arizona after people refused vaccinations | 12NEWS.com

Anti-science and anti-intellectualism strikes again! And these workers are paying for it now. Everyone should be getting their basic vaccines.

 
Old 07-10-2016, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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This sounds insensitive, but if you do not vaccinate, then you deserve whatever disease you were not vaccinated for. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Darwinism at its finest.
 
Old 07-10-2016, 07:49 AM
 
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This outbreak is at an immigration detention facility and the outbreak stemmed from a migrant. Nine out of 22 cases were among staff who likely would have been vaccinated as children or, if older, had measles as children. The article states that many have gotten vaccinated (again) while they try to track down their proof of immunity, ie., childhood vaccination records.
 
Old 07-10-2016, 07:58 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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More effective than smallpox-ridden blankets.
 
Old 07-10-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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this is a teachable moment about cause and effect.
 
Old 07-10-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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This outbreak is at an immigration detention facility and the outbreak stemmed from a migrant. Nine out of 22 cases were among staff who likely would have been vaccinated as children or, if older, had measles as children. The article states that many have gotten vaccinated (again) while they try to track down their proof of immunity, ie., childhood vaccination records.
This is why I support mandatory vaccination for more serious illnesses, like measles.

Rand Paul at the Republican debates back when he was relevant had said he opposes mandatory vaccination because people should be able to choose. Reasonably noble. Ben Carson had something similar to say. Again, noble. They're sticking to their principles. But where I stopped respecting their opinion is when the follow up to that wasn't 'but if you are willingly not getting your kids and yourself vaccinated, you are stupid and selfish by endangering anyone you come into contact with.' Now, other Republicans said something similar, but I'm holding these two to a slightly different standard because they are ****ING DOCTORS!

The reason I lost respect for them (never was a fan of Carson, to be fair; liked Paul enough) is they were clearly pandering. Especially Paul. He knows vaccines are safe. He's a smart guy. But he knows some of the people whose votes he wants are really stupid and believe that vaccines cause autism. So rather than doing the principled thing and say "you can choose not to do it, but there's not one good reason to do that", he just quietly let's stupid voters be stupid.
 
Old 07-10-2016, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Of course, vaccinations don't work.
 
Old 07-10-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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Of course, vaccinations don't work.
Interestingly enough, they won't work if too few aren't getting vaccinated. If everyone has a measles vaccination the chances of anyone getting measles are astronomically low. Basically impossible. But if only 60% got vaccinated, that 40% is now susceptible to measles. And the way disease works is that it evolves. It mutates to become stronger, possibly enough that the vaccine no longer works. We're immune to measles as it is once we're vaccinated. But if it changes, and the more people who get it the more likely a change will occur, we stop being immune.

Basically, the anti-vaxers are not only stupid, they're selfish. And responsible for people getting illness that are 100% preventable.
 
Old 07-10-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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Interestingly enough, they won't work if too few aren't getting vaccinated. If everyone has a measles vaccination the chances of anyone getting measles are astronomically low. Basically impossible. But if only 60% got vaccinated, that 40% is now susceptible to measles. And the way disease works is that it evolves. It mutates to become stronger, possibly enough that the vaccine no longer works. We're immune to measles as it is once we're vaccinated. But if it changes, and the more people who get it the more likely a change will occur, we stop being immune.

Basically, the anti-vaxers are not only stupid, they're selfish. And responsible for people getting illness that are 100% preventable.
So on one hand you claim that if most people are vaccinated, the chance of anyone getting measles is "astronomically low". How do you explain outbreaks that have occurred in populations with 99% vaccination rates such as has occurred in places like China, for example?

On the other hand you claim that the measles virus mutates making vaccines ineffective and if what you say were true why would you blame "antivaxxers" for this?

Measles is not 100% preventable, even with vaccines.
 
Old 07-10-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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So on one hand you claim that if most people are vaccinated, the chance of anyone getting measles is "astronomically low". How do you explain outbreaks that have occurred in populations with 99% vaccination rates such as has occurred in places like China, for example?

On the other hand you claim that the measles virus mutates making vaccines ineffective and if what you say were true why would you blame "antivaxxers" for this?

Measles is not 100% preventable, even with vaccines.
your logic is flawed and quite frankly, makes absolutely no sense.

if you had some wretched disease and had a greater chance at survival if you took a vaccine, would you not take it?
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