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Old 07-17-2016, 07:01 PM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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BLM is only done until the next African American dies under suspicious circumstances at the hands of police.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:04 PM
 
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BLM is only done until the next African American dies under suspicious circumstances at the hands of police.
They won't be done by a long shot as long as liberals make them legitimate instead of labeling them as terrorists.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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For one, he's more inclined to take a tough stance on the lies that groups like BLM are spewing and actually tell the truth behind the statistics, instead of immediately jumping to race-based conclusions before all the evidence has come in and thereby needlessly dividing the country.
I understand what you meant there, but your wording actually makes it seem like you want trump to predict the future. Regardless, you would still be wrong.



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Second, and perhaps even more importantly in the grand scheme of things, he's more likely to support policies that will strengthen educational opportunity and choice for the neediest among us (often poor black and Latino children), thereby increasing the chance that families rise out of poverty and live meaningful lives, which, I argue, can have a direct impact on interactions with police and policing (educated children with opportunity and adults with jobs are not the ones largely having poor interactions with police officers). Sadly, Democrats/Hillary, through support of toxic teacher's unions, have often blocked such progress.
If he supports School choice by taking money away from Public schools, then he will do exactly what Republicans have been doing which is why they lose black and latinos people.

What good is a voucher for a school 30 miles away when you dont have a car to take your kid there ????

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As for crime in general (not just policing/BLM matters), Trump is not (unlike Hillary) for mass, unchecked illegal immigration, which often correlates with increased crime (just look at the statistics for illegal immigrants, who are often poor and more susceptible to getting involved in certain criminal elements, in federal prison)
Hillary isnt for illegal immigration either. You want a solution to a problem and a realistic conversation about those problems and yet you arent even willing to objectively state what the other side is for or against.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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They won't be done by a long shot as long as liberals make them legitimate instead of labeling them as terrorists.
Neither of the last 2 guys have had any connection with BLM. Why do you keep mentioning them??
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I understand what you meant there, but your wording actually makes it seem like you want trump to predict the future. Regardless, you would still be wrong.





If he supports School choice by taking money away from Public schools, then he will do exactly what Republicans have been doing which is why they lose black and latinos people.

What good is a voucher for a school 30 miles away when you dont have a car to take your kid there ????



Hillary isnt for illegal immigration either. You want a solution to a problem and a realistic conversation about those problems and yet you arent even willing to objectively state what the other side is for or against.
Its not just about getting into his head, but about statements/positions he's made and taken. Unlike with Hillary, whose statements and actions has shown that she isn't about solving the issues, but about maintaining the status quo or merely race pandering.


And Republicans lose black and brown people due to the politics of racial divide that Democrats/leftists have been playing since the New Deal (hell, Republicans were losing the black and Latino vote even when the Democrat Party was openly for or otherwise silent on outwardly racist policies that members of their party implemented in the South . . . give me a break). School choice has allowed for needy children to move to higher performing schools (both public and private), thereby giving those children a better chance at success. If disastrous schools lose funding/close as parents/children flee them, great. Unlike Democrats, the GOP isn't in favor of the "we'd rather condemn 100% of children to failure if reform would only benefit 70%" mentality. But its not just school choice. Its also tenure reform to make it easier to get rid of poor teachers (let's start to actually put children first, Dems), among other issues. These are all issues that Democrats have blocked as a general matter (when change agents like Adrian Fenty in D.C. tried to challenge the status quo, they got rid of him ASAP). Still, I ask how Democrat control of black and Latino school systems is working out for them? By all accounts, its been disastrous. Surely, there is another way.

And, yes, Hillary is for illegal immigration. You cannot not be for illegal immigration when you state that you'd go above and beyond the executive actions initiated by Obama that allow illegal immigrants to remain (and that further encourage illegal immigration).
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I understand what you meant there, but your wording actually makes it seem like you want trump to predict the future. Regardless, you would still be wrong.





If he supports School choice by taking money away from Public schools, then he will do exactly what Republicans have been doing which is why they lose black and latinos people.

What good is a voucher for a school 30 miles away when you dont have a car to take your kid there ????



Hillary isnt for illegal immigration either. You want a solution to a problem and a realistic conversation about those problems and yet you arent even willing to objectively state what the other side is for or against.
In a recent speech, Hillary said she will make "deportation a thing of the past". She has also said she will grant citizenship to illegals living in our country in her first 100 days. If that isn't supporting illegals, I don't know what is.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Neither of the last 2 guys have had any connection with BLM. Why do you keep mentioning them??
The Baton Rouge Shooter was in Dallas the day of the shooting, with other BLM protesters. He has many Facebook and Twitter rants promoting BLM.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:36 PM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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They won't be done by a long shot as long as liberals make them legitimate instead of labeling them as terrorists.
Liberal's aren't responsible for BLM. Suspicious deaths of African Americans at the hands of police is.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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And Republicans lose black and brown people due to the politics of racial divide that Democrats/leftists have been playing since the New Deal (hell, Republicans were losing the black and Latino vote even when the Democrat Party was openly for or otherwise silent on outwardly racist policies that members of their party implemented in the South . . . give me a break).
You are talking about a time when the Democratic Party itself was slip and there were 67 Democratic senators and 247 in the House. The Party had a North South divide as did Republicans(which your side seems to forget)

the civil rights act wasnt Party line, it was North vs South with every single Southern Republican voting against it. At least a couple Southern Democrats voted for it, your side was 0fer. Im not doing that to brag, im saying it because you either didnt know your history, or didnt care and if it was the latter, then it needed to be stated for those who have never looked back at that point in history in detail.


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School choice has allowed for needy children to move to higher performing schools (both public and private), thereby giving those children a better chance at success
IM not arguing that school choice doesnt help those who can take advantage of it. Im saying that the majority who need it can not access it even when offered to them.

THe republican version of school choice leaves more people worse off than who they help.

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. If disastrous schools lose funding/close as parents/children flee them, great. Unlike Democrats, the GOP isn't in favor of the "we'd rather condemn 100% of children to failure if reform would only benefit 70%" mentality. But its not just school choice. Its also tenure reform to make it easier to get rid of poor teachers (let's start to actually put children first, Dems), among other issues. These are all issues that Democrats have blocked as a general matter (when change agents like Adrian Fenty in D.C. tried to challenge the status quo, they got rid of him ASAP). Still, I ask how Democrat control of black and Latino school systems is working out for them? By all accounts, its been disastrous. Surely, there is another way.
The problem with your argument is that the number isnt 70/30 Its more like 5/95 and you are condemning that 95 to even worse conditions than what they had before.

As for control. The majority of African Americans live in Republican controlled States. Not Democratic controlled ones, and that goes all the way down to the local level.

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And, yes, Hillary is for illegal immigration. You cannot not be for illegal immigration when you state that you'd go above and beyond the executive actions initiated by Obama that allow illegal immigrants to remain (and that further encourage illegal immigration).
Illegal immigration is the act of coming in. She has never supported that.

What she has specifically said she is against is splitting families up and leaving US citizen children to fend for themselves while their parents are deported to their native nation.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:42 PM
 
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Second, and perhaps even more importantly in the grand scheme of things, he's more likely to support policies that will strengthen educational opportunity and choice for the neediest among us (often poor black and Latino children), thereby increasing the chance that families rise out of poverty and live meaningful lives, which, I argue, can have a direct impact on interactions with police and policing (educated children with opportunity and adults with jobs are not the ones largely having poor interactions with police officers). Sadly, Democrats/Hillary, through support of toxic teacher's unions, have often blocked such progress.
School performance generally trends very closely with the socioeconomic makeup of the surrounding community. "Bad" schools (using the definition I think most use) generally have large proportions of low-income minorities. Shifting these students around usually doesn't result in any miraculous increase in performance. Take the "worst" school in your region and let the students all "choose" to attend the "best" school in your region and watch how quickly the latter's performance drops. Now all of those kids that you allowed to escape a "bad" school are once again in a "bad" school.

Troubled schools are a reflection of troubled communities.
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