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Actually, in Germany the work week is well under 30 hours! I say that is a heck more freedom that what you have.
Again - that depends ... if people want to make more money - are they able?
This is the problem... you are forcing your value of free time on others who may be more ambitious and want to work more. If someone is in their 20s with no wife and kids, and they want to use this period in life to build up their financial status - are they able to do that?
Actually, in Germany the work week is well under 30 hours! I say that is a heck more freedom that what you have.
That's called freedom of choice. Everybody has the freedom not to work at all. That's the same. You choose to work.
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Great question. No the freedom is not the same:
Imagine you live in a 100% pure capitalist country where nothing is free or provided by the government. You have to work all day to eat, pay for schooling for the kids, hire a police to protect your home, pay a toll for the highway each time you drive anywhere, no paid vacations, no sick days off, all medical bills are due out of your pocket, etc. A purely capitalistic system where you are expected to work 14 hours a day 7 days a week.
Imagine a country like Norway where you wake up in the morning and a HUGE chunk of the above concerns are automatically taken care off. You only concern is to work 25-30 hours a week and you are DONE. Plenty of free time, no worries about medical bills, tuition for school, etc.
Who has more freedom?
What? Free time <> freedom.
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The firearm MEME appears. Norway is very safe.
It's not about safety. It's about self-preservation.
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Yes, their outcomes are better.
What is better? Equally bad for everybody, equally good for everybody or good for some but bad for others?
Actually, in Germany the work week is well under 30 hours! I say that is a heck more freedom that what you have.
Great question. No the freedom is not the same:
Imagine you live in a 100% pure capitalist country where nothing is free or provided by the government. You have to work all day to eat, pay for schooling for the kids, hire a police to protect your home, pay a toll for the highway each time you drive anywhere, no paid vacations, no sick days off, all medical bills are due out of your pocket, etc. A purely capitalistic system where you are expected to work 14 hours a day 7 days a week.
Imagine a country like Norway where you wake up in the morning and a HUGE chunk of the above concerns are automatically taken care off. You only concern is to work 25-30 hours a week and you are DONE. Plenty of free time, no worries about medical bills, tuition for school, etc.
Who has more freedom?
The firearm MEME appears. Norway is very safe.
Yes, their outcomes are better.
You have a juvenile and perverse view of Capitalism. You clearly don't understand it.
And if you like Norway so much then do this nation a favor and move to Norway.
Again - that depends ... if people want to make more money - are they able?
This is the problem... you are forcing your value of free time on others who may be more ambitious and want to work more. If someone is in their 20s with no wife and kids, and they want to use this period in life to build up their financial status - are they able to do that?
I am certain you can work more if working is your passion. However, if you want freedom you certainly have much more freedom when you have more time to enjoy life and not have to worry about finances so much.
Ultimate freedom is waking up in the morning and knowing EVERYTHING is taken care off and ast that point you have no worries and can do anything you want.
Having to work like a dog 24/7 in a 100% capitalist system may actually provide you with less freedom.
You have a juvenile and perverse view of Capitalism. You clearly don't understand it.
And if you like Norway so much then do this nation a favor and move to Norway.
I know capitalism better than you do. For this era capitalism is the best engine to create wealth. When talking about capitalism you are preaching top the choir. However, I detest crony capitalism and folks like you cannot see crony capitalism.
I am certain you can work more if working is your passion. However, if you want freedom you certainly have much more freedom when you have more time to enjoy life and not have to worry about finances so much.
Ultimate freedom is waking up in the morning and knowing EVERYTHING is taken care off and ast that point you have no worries and can do anything you want.
Having to work like a dog 24/7 in a 100% capitalist system may actually provide you with less freedom.
Again - that is YOUR value system.
What your post assumes is that the ONLY way everything can be taken care of is if government pays for it... which really means everyone pools their money together (through taxes) to take care of everything. That doesn't sound free to me. And for a country the size of the US, the price tag would be unbelievable.
What your post assumes is that the ONLY way everything can be taken care of is if government pays for it... which really means everyone pools their money together (through taxes) to take care of everything. That doesn't sound free to me. And for a country the size of the US, the price tag would be unbelievable.
So you dont support medicare, social security and public roads either? Why exactly does this make you less free?
They are not the same, but are clearly related. Norway folks can do the same things Americans do, but they work much less hours. In addition they are not stressed out about medical bills, school tuition, etc. That is a form of freedom.
If you have to work harder to keep your head above water you are less free. In fact you are downright miserable and that is not true freedom.
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What is better? Equally bad for everybody, equally good for everybody or good for some but bad for others?
There is no such thing as equality. I agree! However, there is such thing as a happy decent life with free time to enjoy the good things of life.
No one advocates absolute equality since that is impossible even in communism. Are you also assuming that socialism is the same as communism?
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