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Old 07-20-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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oh please, like all those regulations the Obama admin put on them has no effect...
which ones are those? Apart from the ones that are blocked at the Supreme Court at the moment, what others are there?
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:57 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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We need to wean ourselves off of the government teat too so should we just eliminate all welfare programs?
Yeah, kids can go hungry, nothing wrong with that.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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How many of you still burn coal for heat during the winter?


It used to be quite common. Of course, pulmonary problems were very common too. As was death from carbon monoxide poisoning. Or simply early death.


In yet another thread about the collapse of the coal industry, I noted in passing the great disaster that happened to London in the 1950s.


Back then, most London homes still burned coal for heat. Indeed, even back in Charles Dicken's time it was common: so much so that it was the basis for most of the 'fog' that so often enveloped London in the winter. The first few paragraphs of Bleak House are very descriptive of such a London Fog.


In December 1952, during a particularly cold stretch, a very thick, and poisonous, 'fog' developed over London, due to the coal being burned in homes. People began getting sick. It was only afterwards did Londoners realize that a catastrophe had occurred, with some 4,000 people dying during the fog or very soon afterwards, and by the next summer it was estimated that up to 12,000 people died as a result of the fog.


The English government began to pass legislation to get people to stop burning coal and move to other sources of heat. Another such fog developed in 1962, with an additional 750 people dying, but that was a marked improvement, of course, over 1952. It took a while for the people to convert.


The Killer Fog That Blanketed London - History in the Headlines


I got a glimpse of such when I visited China in 2008 (soon after the Olympics). In Beijing we visited one of the fast-disappearing neighborhoods (I forget what they are called), where many people continue to use coal for their cooking and heating needs. You could easily detect the difference in air quality.


Anyway, one may still, if they desire, burn coal in their fireplace (although city codes may prohibit). Of course, I do not recommend that you do so in the 'wood' fireplace that you may have (although that is what people used to use). They do have special coal-burning fireplaces that one may use. If you set it up right, with the right ventilation, you may well survive the first night you use it!


Imagine. A small coal fire in a home may actually kill the occupants. However, many seem to think that burning lots and lots of coal for energy is somehow safer for our air quality. Rather like those bad mortgages companies were buying: buying one bad mortgage is foolish and will lose you money, but buy thousands of such and you will be rich!
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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And here is another side to the spin

Republicans have no real answer for the collapsing US coal industry - Vox
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:16 AM
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The coal industry these days is not for personal home use but for business and manufacturing plants. My husband works in a coke plant that produces foundry coke for Chevy, steel companies ect. When he was 1st hired 35 yrs ago there were dozens of plants - but through the years due to increasing regulations and the fact that China has taken over the coke and steel markets even though their product is substandard - there is only a handful. He's hoping that his plant will continue to be open until he retires.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:40 AM
 
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It's one thing to not have an answer to the problem... it's another thing to create the problem.

Even the CEO in the OP wasn't sure coal would ever return. So your post is not really noteworthy. Republicans are not the problem here. We do know Clinton will continue the Obama policies in this industry.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:08 PM
 
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It's one thing to not have an answer to the problem... it's another thing to create the problem.

Even the CEO in the OP wasn't sure coal would ever return. So your post is not really noteworthy. Republicans are not the problem here. We do know Clinton will continue the Obama policies in this industry.
The only regulation that was put in has to do with pollution. If you could care less about pollution then we might as well just agree to disagree.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:11 PM
 
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Yeah, kids can go hungry, nothing wrong with that.
Nah, they won't starve. They just won't be the lard-asses they are now.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:20 PM
 
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It's one thing to not have an answer to the problem... it's another thing to create the problem.

Even the CEO in the OP wasn't sure coal would ever return. So your post is not really noteworthy. Republicans are not the problem here. We do know Clinton will continue the Obama policies in this industry.
Will the Republicans help keep these jobs, which are either gone or going?


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Elevator operators
Telephone and switchboard operators
video store clerk
travel agents
Newspaper delivery
librarians
bank tellers (being phased out)
milkmen (very common when I was a youth)
Ice delivery (also common in the older days)
bowling alley pin setter (gone)
Taxi dispatcher
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Coal is just another industry that is being squeezed out by progress and innovation. Even if a Republican had been sitting in the White House for the past 7.5 years, the coal industry would still be in trouble.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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The world is changing and if you want to blame something for the demise of coal it's cheap natural gas. Sure they want to go away from coal because of the downside but I think the CEO is giving Obama more credit than deserves. Burning fossil fuels and mining coal is hazardous to your health and the environment.


The government needs to do more to help the people impacted in the industry but anyone that believes they can bring back coal is lying, they need to come up with real solutions rather than empty promises and pandering.
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