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Old 07-25-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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Seems to me that most Americans don't know much about all involved when it comes to immigration, legal or illegal, but of course there is always the best way rather than the worst way to address these problems, even if not perfect. Also of course, anyone can Google for what is best policy rather than worst, and find all manner of facts and opinion. Here for example is something fairly current and certainly something to think about when it comes to considering the perspective of all those people looking for open arms here in America, and finding them either by way of American employers willing to pay their wages or church people looking for more Christians to join them in keeping with God's will.

Welcoming strangers is a biblical mandate.

“When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.”— Leviticus 19:33-34,

Yet, people crossing U.S. borders without proper documentation are breaking the law.

For people of faith, is it a choice between what is right and what is legal?

The United Methodist Church’s Social Principles state: “We recognize, embrace, and affirm all persons, regardless of country of origin, as members of the family of God. We affirm the right of all persons to equal opportunities for employment, access to housing, health care, education, and freedom from social discrimination. We urge the Church and society to recognize the gifts, contributions, and struggles of those who are immigrants and to advocate for justice for all.”

A petition before the 2016 General Conference would add: “We oppose all national immigration policies that separate family members from each other or that include detention of families with children.”

Keeping families together has long been at the heart of the church’s mission with refugees and immigrants.

Addressing immigration issues at GC2016 | The United Methodist Church

 
Old 07-25-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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Seems to me that most Americans don't know much about all involved when it comes to immigration, legal or illegal, but of course there is always the best way rather than the worst way to address these problems, even if not perfect. Also of course, anyone can Google for what is best policy rather than worst, and find all manner of facts and opinion. Here for example is something fairly current and certainly something to think about when it comes to considering the perspective of all those people looking for open arms here in America, and finding them either by way of American employers willing to pay their wages or church people looking for more Christians to join them in keeping with God's will.

Welcoming strangers is a biblical mandate.

“When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.”— Leviticus 19:33-34,

Yet, people crossing U.S. borders without proper documentation are breaking the law.

For people of faith, is it a choice between what is right and what is legal?

The United Methodist Church’s Social Principles state: “We recognize, embrace, and affirm all persons, regardless of country of origin, as members of the family of God. We affirm the right of all persons to equal opportunities for employment, access to housing, health care, education, and freedom from social discrimination. We urge the Church and society to recognize the gifts, contributions, and struggles of those who are immigrants and to advocate for justice for all.”

A petition before the 2016 General Conference would add: “We oppose all national immigration policies that separate family members from each other or that include detention of families with children.”

Keeping families together has long been at the heart of the church’s mission with refugees and immigrants.

Addressing immigration issues at GC2016 | The United Methodist Church
Charity is a personal directive not a governing one. Which is to say the individual should treat "foreigners in our land" with kindness, but the government is under no biblical, nor moral obligation to accept and grant amnesty to illegal immigrants who shouldn't be here to begin with.

The role of the federal government should be first and foremost to secure the borders and protect their citizens. We already lead the world in immigrants allowed in legally, no reason to abolish the rule of law based on some ill conceived notion of righteousness.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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When your religion openly opposes US law, you have proven that your religion is more important to you then being a US Citizen. What other laws are you willing to break
 
Old 07-25-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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Seems to me that most Americans don't know much about all involved when it comes to immigration, legal or illegal, but of course there is always the best way rather than the worst way to address these problems, even if not perfect. Also of course, anyone can Google for what is best policy rather than worst, and find all manner of facts and opinion. Here for example is something fairly current and certainly something to think about when it comes to considering the perspective of all those people looking for open arms here in America, and finding them either by way of American employers willing to pay their wages or church people looking for more Christians to join them in keeping with God's will.

Welcoming strangers is a biblical mandate.

“When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.”— Leviticus 19:33-34,

Yet, people crossing U.S. borders without proper documentation are breaking the law.

For people of faith, is it a choice between what is right and what is legal?

The United Methodist Church’s Social Principles state: “We recognize, embrace, and affirm all persons, regardless of country of origin, as members of the family of God. We affirm the right of all persons to equal opportunities for employment, access to housing, health care, education, and freedom from social discrimination. We urge the Church and society to recognize the gifts, contributions, and struggles of those who are immigrants and to advocate for justice for all.”

A petition before the 2016 General Conference would add: “We oppose all national immigration policies that separate family members from each other or that include detention of families with children.”

Keeping families together has long been at the heart of the church’s mission with refugees and immigrants.

Addressing immigration issues at GC2016 | The United Methodist Church
Please do not mix illegal immigration with legal immigration. As a legal immigrant myself, I take that as a personal attack.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 11:44 AM
 
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Please do not mix illegal immigration with legal immigration. As a legal immigrant myself, I take that as a personal attack.
don't worry about people 'attacking' you just keep on fitting in and not breaking laws, we appreciate that.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Seems to me that most Americans don't know much about all involved when it comes to immigration, legal or illegal, but of course there is always the best way rather than the worst way to address these problems, even if not perfect. Also of course, anyone can Google for what is best policy rather than worst, and find all manner of facts and opinion. Here for example is something fairly current and certainly something to think about when it comes to considering the perspective of all those people looking for open arms here in America, and finding them either by way of American employers willing to pay their wages or church people looking for more Christians to join them in keeping with God's will.

Welcoming strangers is a biblical mandate.

“When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.”— Leviticus 19:33-34,

Yet, people crossing U.S. borders without proper documentation are breaking the law.

For people of faith, is it a choice between what is right and what is legal?

The United Methodist Church’s Social Principles state: “We recognize, embrace, and affirm all persons, regardless of country of origin, as members of the family of God. We affirm the right of all persons to equal opportunities for employment, access to housing, health care, education, and freedom from social discrimination. We urge the Church and society to recognize the gifts, contributions, and struggles of those who are immigrants and to advocate for justice for all.”

A petition before the 2016 General Conference would add: “We oppose all national immigration policies that separate family members from each other or that include detention of families with children.”

Keeping families together has long been at the heart of the church’s mission with refugees and immigrants.

Addressing immigration issues at GC2016 | The United Methodist Church
Whoa... whoa... the Bible does not support breaking the law. We do not live in OT Israel. We are in the present day United States. Romans 13 says government is put in place by God. All people, including the government itself, are to be subject to the governing authorities.

The issue is not welcoming strangers, as we have laws in place for people to access the country legally,... the issue is breaking the law.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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I don't have time or motivation to google around at the moment, but I think some key data estimates that might be helpful would be:

Number of legal immigrants.
Number of illegal immigrants.
Legal/Illegal immigration costs to American society (e.g., percentage of legal/illegal immigrants who commit significant crimes, live on charity, etc.).
Benefits to American society (e.g., providing labor for business who might otherwise have trouble finding workers?)

The basic idea is to find some way to calculate the tangible costs/benefits of legal and illegal immigration. This doesn't mean that we should ignore humanitarian considerations or spiritual concerns. But efforts to formulate policy ought to take measurable data into account. Personally, I have no idea what all of the costs and benefits are. Regardless of religion, there is clearly some moral/humanitarian wisdom in helping people when we can reasonably do so.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 12:20 PM
 
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Seems to me that most Americans don't know much about all involved when it comes to immigration, legal or illegal, but of course there is always the best way rather than the worst way to address these problems, even if not perfect. Also of course, anyone can Google for what is best policy rather than worst, and find all manner of facts and opinion. Here for example is something fairly current and certainly something to think about when it comes to considering the perspective of all those people looking for open arms here in America, and finding them either by way of American employers willing to pay their wages or church people looking for more Christians to join them in keeping with God's will.

Welcoming strangers is a biblical mandate.

“When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.”— Leviticus 19:33-34,

Yet, people crossing U.S. borders without proper documentation are breaking the law.

For people of faith, is it a choice between what is right and what is legal?

The United Methodist Church’s Social Principles state: “We recognize, embrace, and affirm all persons, regardless of country of origin, as members of the family of God. We affirm the right of all persons to equal opportunities for employment, access to housing, health care, education, and freedom from social discrimination. We urge the Church and society to recognize the gifts, contributions, and struggles of those who are immigrants and to advocate for justice for all.”

A petition before the 2016 General Conference would add: “We oppose all national immigration policies that separate family members from each other or that include detention of families with children.”

Keeping families together has long been at the heart of the church’s mission with refugees and immigrants.

Addressing immigration issues at GC2016 | The United Methodist Church

God also said obey the laws of the land, his Ten Commandments and not take from others what doesn't belong to you. Humans sin and no hard luck story negates the punishment for doing so. Families don't have to be separated. If here illegally they can all leave together and go back to their homelands, family intact. That would be justice for the American people and illegals do not contribute to our society they take from it.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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What can be done? Start with cracking down on those overstaying their visas. Next stop giving any federal or state aid to illegals; then all employees need to verify the legality of those who they hire. All this would go a long way in controlling or stopping illegals from wanting to come to America.

Do I believe in sending all illegals back to their native countries? No, not all. We have to consider families and what it would do to break them up, especially when part of them have been here for a generation. More that anything we need to get rid of the undesirable ones and do whatever it takes to keep them from crossing back over the border or finding other ways to enter America. We also need a good work program which allows those who want to work the freedom to live here and return to their homeland when their work is done.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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What can be done? Start with cracking down on those overstaying their visas. Next stop giving any federal or state aid to illegals; then all employees need to verify the legality of those who they hire. All this would go a long way in controlling or stopping illegals from wanting to come to America.

Do I believe in sending all illegals back to their native countries? No, not all. We have to consider families and what it would do to break them up, especially when part of them have been here for a generation. More that anything we need to get rid of the undesirable ones and do whatever it takes to keep them from crossing back over the border or finding other ways to enter America. We also need a good work program which allows those who want to work the freedom to live here and return to their homeland when their work is done.

How about we start considering American families instead? They need their jobs back. If illegal families are allowed to remain here how does that fix that problem? Why would the families have to be broke up anyway? They can all return to their homelands together, family intact. They're all undesirables none of them had any respect for our immigration laws and thought nothing of stealing an American's SS number to work or work under the table evading taxes. Those are felonies!


We already have several work visas we don't need anymore with 23 million unemployed Americans. Allowing them to remain here negates our annual quotas for legal immigration which are in place for good reasons.
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