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Old 07-26-2016, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I don't know that Trump is "compromised" by the Russians; I just think he's kind of dense and doesn't think through the fact that undermining NATO strengthens Putin, who clearly has strong aggressive interests in expanding into Europe.
What is the GNP of the Eurozone versus Russia's? Give the Eurowussies five years to grow some balls. Do the same with S. Korea
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Old 07-26-2016, 05:34 AM
 
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What's so funny is the fools who don't think we try to hack into Russia's systems every day.

I wish they'd hurry up and release Hillary's emails and the Clinton Foundation.

The will be the "October Surprise" that will finally sink the Clintons.
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:39 AM
 
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I don't know that Trump is "compromised" by the Russians; I just think he's kind of dense and doesn't think through the fact that undermining NATO strengthens Putin, who clearly has strong aggressive interests in expanding into Europe.
"undermining NATO strengthens"

When was the last time NATO SHOWED ANY STRENGTH?

In fact, when was the last time NATO did ANYTHING?
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:40 AM
 
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Growing evidence: Dems grasping at any straw they can in an attempt to save themselves.



AND.......when did Dem's ever give even a half of a care about evidence?
Is this something new all of a sudden or just very convenient to deflect?

The answer is most obvious.
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Now we know where Nutty Don went for his financing. Russian Banks and the oligarchs who run them. Explains a lot about him and his dealings with mob types across the Metro NYC area.

He needs to win to pay back his keepers. What will he give away? Eastern Europe, the rest of Ukraine, maybe give Putin exclusive rights to Doral.

When you deal with these boys you better be ready to duck and cover.
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:50 AM
 
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FBI investigation underway that the cybercrime against the Democratic Party was done by Russian intelligence. At the same time, Trump's deep connections to Putin and his colleagues are being increasingly exposed:

"The theory that Moscow orchestrated the leaks to help Trump, who has repeatedly praised Russian President Vladimir Putin and practically called for the end of NATO, is fast gaining currency within the Obama administration because of the timing of the leaks and Trump’s own connections to the Russian government" (source)

Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

"The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington."

“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008... “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

"Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world. ... his debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million."

The dots are all here. It's just a matter of connecting them.

There is serious reason to believe that Trump, if elected, would be seriously compromised by his business and personal ties to Vladimir Putin and Russian financiers.
Good. Compromised to the extent of establishing peaceful, profitable relations with Russia, rather than continuing to allow and fund NATO's continuing provocative and aggressive behavior. Maybe, with Trump steering the ship we can avoid WW III, and a global nuclear war that wipes out all life on earth?

As a side benefit, we can avoid any further damage the Bush-Clinton connections, whose dots have long ago been connected, with China, as well as the radical Islamist countries like Saudi Arabia, including the well known long standing business relationships with the likes of the Bin Laden family?

I don't see cooperation with Russia as a bad thing. I see nuclear war as a threat to human existence.
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Old 07-26-2016, 08:45 AM
 
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Good. Compromised to the extent of establishing peaceful, profitable relations with Russia, rather than continuing to allow and fund NATO's continuing provocative and aggressive behavior. Maybe, with Trump steering the ship we can avoid WW III, and a global nuclear war that wipes out all life on earth?
I would wholeheartedly agree with you if Trump had such high-minded humanitarian intentions. His entire career -- and those of his close advisors Manafort and Page -- indicates his only intention is to exploit business opportunities that benefit themselves. And we should all be concerned about Trump's $630 million worth of debt owed to Russian financiers: can we really trust Trump to put "America first" if doing so deeply hurts his personal finances? The conflict of interest here is too big to ignore.
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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You can't divert people's attention away from what was in those e-mails.
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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UK Guardian confirms: Putin is Backing Trump

Washington Post confirms Russia hacked DNC, Trump team's business ties to Russia:
Putin’s suspected meddling in a U.S. election would be a disturbing first

General Wesley Clark (Ret.): Trump gives Putin 'shortcut to achieving all his dreams'
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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You can't divert people's attention away from what was in those e-mails.
It's not a matter of diversion. Yes, the DNC was not impartial and favored Clinton over Sanders. The Republican committee did the same thing, throwing up every roadblock they could to try to stop Trump. Both parties try to tilt the game towards the favored insiders and against outsiders. It's wrong and both parties need to fix it.

But this is small potatoes compared to Russian interference in U.S. elections and Trump's position of weakening NATO. The stakes for Europe's security, and for the security of our troops in Europe, are too high to be trusted to Trump.
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