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Old 07-26-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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Conservatives don't care, they favor a Russian style oligarchy over democracy. Yes it's disgusting but it is also completely true.


Bwhahhaha....the emails show just how much the liberals love Democracy.

All the saber rattling keeps Russia authoritative. its scaring the crap out of Russians. Russians were falling over themselves to Westernize . Nothing could be easier to pacify than Russia. You put sanctions on them, and they can't travel etc etc. Russia was propped up by the defense industry among other things.
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Old 07-26-2016, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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FBI investigation underway that the cybercrime against the Democratic Party was done by Russian intelligence. At the same time, Trump's deep connections to Putin and his colleagues are being increasingly exposed:

"The theory that Moscow orchestrated the leaks to help Trump, who has repeatedly praised Russian President Vladimir Putin and practically called for the end of NATO, is fast gaining currency within the Obama administration because of the timing of the leaks and Trump’s own connections to the Russian government" (source)

Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

"The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington."

“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008... “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

"Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world. ... his debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million."

The dots are all here. It's just a matter of connecting them.

There is serious reason to believe that Trump, if elected, would be seriously compromised by his business and personal ties to Vladimir Putin and Russian financiers.

Trump's ties to Russia? That's childs play.

Democrats spied for the Communist Soviets for decades. They infested the State Department and the White House.

The KGB was the primary funding source for Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). They funded many other Leftist groups here as well.

Trump is a Capitalist businessman. Democrats have a long track record as Communist enablers.

Which do you think is worse?
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Old 07-26-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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Trump's ties to Russia? That's childs play.

Democrats spied for the Communist Soviets for decades. They infested the State Department and the White House.

The KGB was the primary funding source for Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). They funded many other Leftist groups here as well.

Trump is a Capitalist businessman. Democrats have a long track record as Communist enablers.

Which do you think is worse?
Plus Clinton again is trying to rig this election with Debbie as the controls!
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Old 07-26-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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Watching the DNC convention now.

I can't get enough!



The dodging, squirming and excuses are too funny.

Train wreck.
lol...so true! i didn't watch but was reading the tweets and it was hilarious...these people all want to be there right? and then they are all fighting and booing...a circus!
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Old 07-26-2016, 12:36 PM
 
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Since you are stuck on the Russian connection; you of course remember the Clinton Foundation Russian Uranium deal connection. Hidden donations, err not disclosed. I believe this is referred to as quid pro quo,

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us...pany.html?_r=0

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As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.
All in all. The evidence is that the Russians will have ties with and use whomever advances their particular interest, at a particular point in time. In other words, your "Russian Trump connection theory" might pass muster with naive Democrat peeps, but not with those who closely scrutinizes the "particulars' of Russian machinations.

Perhaps we should discuss the failure of the reset of the U.S. Russia relationship under Clinton's State Department?

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It's not a matter of diversion. Yes, the DNC was not impartial and favored Clinton over Sanders. The Republican committee did the same thing, throwing up every roadblock they could to try to stop Trump. Both parties try to tilt the game towards the favored insiders and against outsiders. It's wrong and both parties need to fix it.

But this is small potatoes compared to Russian interference in U.S. elections and Trump's position of weakening NATO. The stakes for Europe's security, and for the security of our troops in Europe, are too high to be trusted to Trump.
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Old 07-26-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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Strange we didn't hear about this huge scandal until the DNC was outed and needed a deflection for their lemmings to latch onto.
Their deflection tactics are the only thing transparent about them.
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Old 07-26-2016, 12:51 PM
 
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What Trump said about Nato, is simply that the Europeans have to be 'invested' partners in Nato. That he intends to negotiate a more equitable sharing of the tremendous financial burden of Nato.

I realize it is easier to try to make Trump's position into a chicken little scenario, but what U.S. citizen would not want a fairer financial arrangement for the United States?

Don't take my word for it. Here is a NY Times interview with Trump's words verbatim. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us...interview.html
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No one is blaming Trump for the hacking. They're are saying the Russians are trying to influence the election in Trump's favor. Why? Because of Trump's comments on NATO, if he carried them through would allow Russia to go unchecked with aggression with its bordering countries. Russian hackers have done this sort of thing before with countries like Germany and their elections. The coding and malware used is the same as what was used with the DNC.
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Old 07-26-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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Ahem. Clinton Foundation quid pro quo uranium deal with 'the enemy state.'
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I think our conservative friends have yet to grasp the magnitude of the Trump-Putin connection.

FACT: Trump owes $630 million to Russia

This is a direct CONFLICT OF INTEREST and if Trump had any integrity he would resign from the race. Never before has any presidential candidate personally owed so much money to an enemy state.

Trump owes hundreds of millions of dollars to an ENEMY STATE. He's making pro-Putin and anti-NATO remarks because his financial well-being depends on him staying in good graces with Mother Russia. Get the picture yet?
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Old 07-26-2016, 01:03 PM
 
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Even Fox News is getting on board with the Trump-Putin Russia connection:

"Fox News contributor George Will says GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump will not release his tax returns because they may show "he is deeply involved in dealing with Russia oligarchs.""

Conservatives are trying to dismiss this story as a groundless conspiracy theory. That's not going to work, as more facts are uncovered, the Trump-Putin connection is going mainstream.

Will patriotic Americans allow the first presidential candidate who condones or even possibly cooperated with foreign intervention in our elections? We shall see.
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Old 07-26-2016, 01:13 PM
 
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1) This globalist movement is pretty much American in origin. (Although US was motivated by the economic reasons and Europe by anti nationalism).
2) Trump's call to renegotiate NATO costs is hot air. Nobody is going to renegotiate anything with him (NATO, the trade with China, defense treaties with S. Korea and Japan, etc). Most European nations do not want to hear about military, armies, huge defense expenses and possible confrontations. At most NATO will be disbanded.
3) Putin supporting Trump? A wild guess, but everything is possible. That however has nothing with Democratic Party internal corruption.
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