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Old 01-08-2017, 11:12 AM
 
Location: United States
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
Because Crowdstrike already did it and gave the FBI the data. Redundant request.
So take the word of the DNC hired help. Sorry, but no reasonable person would believe the DNC, or someone working for them.

The fact that they refused to have neutral party, the FBI, investigate the supposed intrusion raises some many red flags.

The RNC allowed the FBI into their servers. I guess they had nothing to hide, unlikes the DNC.


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Russia or no Russia, one thing is crystal clear:

Trump will enter office under a darker cloud than any US president in the past century.

Lost the vote.

Ties to Putin.

Won't release his finances, with ALL KINDS of conflicts of interests lurking in there.

But he sure has appeal to the "moral majority."

What ties to Putin?

The FBI said Trump had no ties to Russia.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Question An iceberg's tip?

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What ties to Putin?

The FBI said Trump had no ties to Russia.
In a nutshell, Trump's many bankruptcies make him untouchable for loans from most US or European financial houses. So, he goes for "other" means of getting funds for his ventures. Those avenues include Russian sources. Sources connected to Putin.

Here you go:

"several of Trumpís businesses outside of Russia are entangled with Russian financiers inside Putinís circle.
So, yes, itís true that Trump has failed to land a business venture inside Russia. But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. Whatís more, several of Trumpís senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.
"

Donald Trump's Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia

"He received a portion of the $14*million paid by Agalarov and other investors to bring the pageant to Moscow. Agalarov said he and Trump signed an agreement to build a Trump Tower in the heart of Moscow ó at least Trumpís fifth attempt at such a venture. And Trump seemed energized by his interactions with Russiaís financial elite at the pageant and a glitzy after-party in a Moscow nightclub."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.e6b74f203843


As they say, ignorance is bliss.

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Old 01-08-2017, 12:31 PM
 
Location: United States
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In a nutshell, Trump's many bankruptcies make him untouchable for loans from most US or European financial houses. So, he goes for "other" means of getting funds for his ventures. Those avenues include Russian sources. Sources connected to Putin.

Here you go:

"several of Trump’s businesses outside of Russia are entangled with Russian financiers inside Putin’s circle.
So, yes, it’s true that Trump has failed to land a business venture inside Russia. But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.
"

Donald Trump's Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia

"He received a portion of the $14*million paid by Agalarov and other investors to bring the pageant to Moscow. Agalarov said he and Trump signed an agreement to build a Trump Tower in the heart of Moscow — at least Trump’s fifth attempt at such a venture. And Trump seemed energized by his interactions with Russia’s financial elite at the pageant and a glitzy after-party in a Moscow nightclub."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.e6b74f203843


As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Not this nonsense again.

You dems harped nonstop about the FBI looking into Trump ties with Russia, that was until the FBI said that Trump has no ties to Russia.
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Old 01-08-2017, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Not this nonsense again.

You dems harped nonstop about the FBI looking into Trump ties with Russia, that was until the FBI said that Trump has no ties to Russia.
No "direct ties" from what they've looked into. As my links indicate, his ties aren't direct but they're Russian.

Of course, his tax returns would clear all this up and he's frightened to death that they might be leaked.

This guy is hiding LOTS of things that make his shady deals look less than "brilliant."

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Old 01-08-2017, 02:02 PM
 
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FBI investigation underway that the cybercrime against the Democratic Party was done by Russian intelligence. At the same time, Trump's deep connections to Putin and his colleagues are being increasingly exposed:

"The theory that Moscow orchestrated the leaks to help Trump, who has repeatedly praised Russian President Vladimir Putin and practically called for the end of NATO, is fast gaining currency within the Obama administration because of the timing of the leaks and Trumpís own connections to the Russian government" (source)

Trumpís campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

"The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform wonít call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington."

ďRussians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,Ē Trumpís son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008... ďWe see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.Ē

"Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world. ... his debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million."

The dots are all here. It's just a matter of connecting them.

There is serious reason to believe that Trump, if elected, would be seriously compromised by his business and personal ties to Vladimir Putin and Russian financiers.
Yawn.

Who cares.

We're not at war with Russia, are we?

If we were, about 100 million Americans would already be dead.
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Old 01-08-2017, 02:08 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
No "direct ties" from what they've looked into. As my links indicate, his ties aren't direct but they're Russian.

Of course, his tax returns would clear all this up and he's frightened to death that they might be leaked.

This guy is hiding LOTS of things that make his shady deals look less than "brilliant."


So far they haven't found any direct ties. We'll see.

There are hundreds of posts by Trump supporters on this forum in different threads calling the Russian hacking story a lie, fabricated by the Democrats. So now what will they claim after Reince Priebus told Fox this morning that Trump accepts the intelligence community's reports?

[URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14S0O6"]Trump acknowledges Russia role in U.S. election hacking: aide
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Old 01-08-2017, 02:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
Update:

"Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 2,864,974, which is 2.1 percent of the total vote."

The Final, Final, Final Results for the Popular Vote Are In

"It's a rigged system, folks" (spoken by a certain candidate in early Nov 2016)
You do understand that the president is not elected by the popular vote? <<<<<< Rhetorical BTW....

I also remember someone saying that

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“And let’s be clear about what he’s saying and what he means. He’s denigrating—he’s talking down our democracy. I for one am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our major two parties would take that kind of position.”[LEFT]

[/LEFT]
Of course, she also backed jill.....but you don't care about facts......



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Trumplings...

SO sensitive after their extremely fragile "victory."

Fragile or not, we won, suck it up buttercup!

Kinda reminds you of something your buddy harry said....

paraphrasing:

reporter to harry reid: So you admit you lied about romneys taxes?

reid: We won did'nt we.....
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Old 01-08-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
In a nutshell, Trump's many bankruptcies make him untouchable for loans from most US or European financial houses. So, he goes for "other" means of getting funds for his ventures. Those avenues include Russian sources. Sources connected to Putin.

Here you go:

"several of Trumpís businesses outside of Russia are entangled with Russian financiers inside Putinís circle.
So, yes, itís true that Trump has failed to land a business venture inside Russia. But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. Whatís more, several of Trumpís senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.
"

Donald Trump's Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia

"He received a portion of the $14*million paid by Agalarov and other investors to bring the pageant to Moscow. Agalarov said he and Trump signed an agreement to build a Trump Tower in the heart of Moscow ó at least Trumpís fifth attempt at such a venture. And Trump seemed energized by his interactions with Russiaís financial elite at the pageant and a glitzy after-party in a Moscow nightclub."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.e6b74f203843


As they say, ignorance is bliss.

So, you'd rather trust a new paper and not the FBI? WOW......
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Old 01-08-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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You do understand that the president is not elected by the popular vote?
I don't think anyone is disputing this fact. However, the popular vote does show that the majority of Americans don't favor Trump. If he wants to unite the country (not sure that's his or the GOP's goal) then he needs to listen to the more than 70 million voters who did not check Trump on their ballots in Nov.
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Old 01-08-2017, 02:32 PM
 
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I don't think anyone is disputing this fact.
Did you read the post I was responding to?





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However, the popular vote does show that the majority of Americans don't favor Trump. If he wants to unite the country (not sure that's his or the GOP's goal) then he needs to listen to the more than 70 million voters who did not check Trump on their ballots in Nov.
Once you reach a point in voting, once you reach the threshold, it dose not matter how many more people vote, once you win that state, you win the those votes in the EC.....

Are you saying that the more people in that state the more EC votes there should be?
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