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Old 07-26-2016, 03:16 AM
 
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Evidently the GOP still doesn't agree with the deal signed by 5 countries, they need to make sure Boeing takes a hit. This is not very productive as now maybe Iran goes to Japan or elsewhere to purchase the jets.




http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/wo...rbus-sanctions.
Other countries do not make the laws here, this is not a dictatorship so neither does the President. Without consent of the Senate any deal struck unilaterally by President Obama with other countries is non binding and subject to the laws of this country or the pen of the next sitting President. See the Kyoto Protocol for reference.

 
Old 07-26-2016, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Other countries do not make the laws here, this is not a dictatorship so neither does the President. Without consent of the Senate any deal struck unilaterally by President Obama with other countries is non binding and subject to the laws of this country or the pen of the next sitting President. See the Kyoto Protocol for reference.
Yes of course it's a democracy but that doesn't mean the move by the house is smart, what exactly does this legislation do other than penalize Boeing. The GOP has now moved to the right of those that support the Ayatolla Kahmenei and his supporters, they woul dlove to see this deal fail and the right wing just helped them along.

Non-Binding, the other countries don't seem to think so, if Boeing gets cut out then they will just go to another country, maybe Airbus or Japan, so this is a victory?

The other part of this that President Rouhani has been one of the most moderate leaders and is up for election next year, actions like this may help Iran return to the likes of Ahmadinejad.
 
Old 07-26-2016, 05:42 AM
 
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Well you socialists want the govt involved in private trade and business, so you can't always get what you want.
You couldn't possibly get more involved than the GOP is with this stunt.
 
Old 07-26-2016, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You couldn't possibly get more involved than the GOP is with this stunt.
Excellent point, preventing a sale of several billion dollars because of politics. I would call that involved.
 
Old 07-26-2016, 06:03 AM
 
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, what exactly does this legislation do other than penalize Boeing.
It would not just prevent Boeing from selling them anything, Airbus and any other manufacturer that sources anything from the US would be unable to sell them anything.

This would penalize Iran, they need the planes and would be unable to obtain them. Do you really think they would be buying planes from Boeing if they had another choice?




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Non-Binding, the other countries don't seem to think so,
It doesn't matter what other countries think, they don't dictate the laws of this country. The Constitution is quite clear in that a treaty or agreement with another nation/nations requires a 2/3 consent of the Senate. Over the years the Senate has abdicated some of this responsibility as a practical matter allowing the administration to negotiate and sign minor treaties. Without consent of the Senate it's non binding and anything major like this should be put up for a vote. Without that vote it's subject to new laws and or the stroke of pen of a sitting President. I will again refer you to the Kyoto Protocol as an example.
 
Old 07-26-2016, 06:14 AM
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Excellent point, preventing a sale of several billion dollars because of politics. I would call that involved.
Politics. It's what happens when you let the govt run things. Sorry it didn't go your way this time.
 
Old 07-26-2016, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Irrelevant.

Yeah. They'll use hard earned money on Boeings to fly into buildings. Right. Makes great sense.


Satisfying Netanyahu and AIPAC is more important than jobs.
hmm..

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Yeah. They'll use hard earned money on Boeings to fly into buildings. Right. Makes great sense
Hard earned money? I didnt think sitting at a negotiating table while the US secretary of State John Kerry kissing your azz while handing over a check for $150 billion dollars of US taxpayer money is considered that "hard earned"
 
Old 07-26-2016, 06:22 AM
 
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the GOP ( yet again ) displaying their loyalty to israelis over americans
 
Old 07-26-2016, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Why the hell does Iran need 200 jet liners? They expecting an upswing in tourism?
To ferry troops and supplies to Syria, of course. Iran Air flies daily to Damascus with their transponders off. I assure you Syria is not ready to receive tourists these days.
 
Old 07-26-2016, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Actually yes, tourism would be a tremendous positive and would disarm the Iranian hard liners.


Around 1/3 of their fleet is aging and out of service, what's the downside.
No one in their freaking mind wants to visit Iran.

Guess what kids? We're going to Iran for our vacation.

Why?

Daddy wants us to stay in a hotel a dirt floor and there will be plenty of swarthy men ready to grope you and your sister.
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