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Old 07-26-2016, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Been watching Fox News and MSNBC

have seen no mention of this atrocity.

Priests aren't Jewish, that's why.
Interesting. I saw it on Fox first thing this morning and it's been updated throughout the day. I could find no mention of it through about noon today on MSNBC however.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:09 PM
 
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This is what the *******s of Europe have asked for. We need to stop the same dumb ass liberals from doing the same to America with this stupid let in the Muslims BS.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:17 PM
 
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Every time ISIS does this stuff, that only means Trump is closer and closer to grab the presidency from Crooked Hillary
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:24 PM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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How do you tell a good Muslim from a Bad one ?
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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Muslims behead Priest and take church goers hostage in France


Don't let the Democrats hear about this. It doesn't fit their world view and they have enough facts to ignore.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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Europe is lost. In every war, lines are drawn and moved according to the outcome of battles. In the end, who wins the most significant battles wins the war. Following a war there is some period of time to recgroup, re-establish and reconcile.

In the absence of winning there is only losing, there is no halfway, not partial victory and no win-win. The people who came up with "win-win" just figured out a way to get what they want and have others believe they too came out of it okay when all they got was hosed.

The EU countries can no longer go back to the point where they actually had some control over their borders and thus control of their societies and the preservation and continuation of their cultures. They have been too infiltrated and diluted to the point where popular vote would side with the continuing change of their societies and cultures to something else.

The new line is now the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. In the past, the shield of oceans was a deterrent to all but the most advanced nations from even trying to bring a war to US soil. That has changed since it is no longer standing militarizes that threaten us, despite the efforts of some to demonize the Russians and attempts to get the American people to see them as a resurgence of the cold war enemy that should be the focus of our fears. Nonsense.

We have always had two shields, the oceans which require significant and advanced military means to overcome and the right of citizens to have guns. There never was and never will be a positive outcome to trying to overcome a nation with an armed citizen population, you just can't defeat them without also destroying the very land you might seek to conquer.

Technologies have practically eliminated the shield of the oceans and so has the change of those attempting to conquer the USA as they don't use standing armies, a navy or air force. Since they don't use them, our similar military components are ineffective against them once they have propagated their efforts beyond contained borders. This has already happened, witness Europe.

We could turn the Middle East into glass and it would no longer have much effect upon what is going on right now. What happens in wars? The location of mission critical operations are moved so that attacks on old locations are impotent, they just use up resources.

Now the line is Europe. No, not a war in Europe as that would accomplish nothing, it has already reached and crossed the tipping point. I'm talking about the point where Europe meets the ocean, that is the new line and the new line of containment and then applied force to destroy what remains there to attack us. Unfortunately, this means a lot of innocent people get caught up in the war efforts but then what is the alternative, to just keep watching and wait until things come to your street because it will.

Fear mongering? Hardly. How much fear do you think the Priest felt as his neck was being severed? How much fear did those innocent people being run over and crushed by the truck in Niece feel? You want to wait until this fear is an everyday happening in the USA? Keep waiting and it will be.

Our other shield, the right to have guns is also quickly being rendered irrelevant. The gun is blamed for all evils yet a certain part of the population make their very wealth from guns. What TV show, what movie doesn't have guns in it? Have you noticed that in every futurist movie the bad people always have guns? So to in every TV show in cities where gun control laws are the most strict. Then how can such things exist if such laws work? Are not they proof that such laws do not work? Of course they are but try to make entertainment without them and see what happens. Notice how the most ardent supporters of gun control laws among the celebrities all made their money using the very guns they despise? If the very laws they support worked, then how can those they depict in their works get them?

But this isn't about gun control any more than it is about oceans, they were just two shield we had but have no longer or on the verge of being eliminated.

This is about lines. In a war, constantly moving your lines forward until they surround or move over the enemy is how wars are won. No one wins a war by retreating or containing their enemy. Containment has been tried throughout history and not once has it worked. In every case what it did was allow the enemy to flourish, re-constitute and eventually win the war because the country using containment mistook or confuses containment with winning.

Consider the middle east peace process. How has decade upon decade of that worked out for the world? The reason it never worked and never will is because it is based on containment not winning. Remember, there is no win-win.

Think it through, the people that like win-win are the ones winning while the other side mostly lost. With a slap on the back, a smile or a toast with raised glass, the facade of the win-win scenario is sold to those unwilling to do what it takes to win.

Just look what happens when you are on the verge of winning anything, beit at work, in daily life or in how countries deal with each other. The loser or the one about to lose will always propose the win-win scenario. Why? Because a lower can become the winner in a "win-win" scenario. They simply get the winner or the one about to win a reason to quit and adjust to containment. We're not enemies, you stay there and I stay here and in the middle is the win-win. Except that isn't how it works. That in the middle place, the containment where the win-win exists is out of your reach. You get to look at it and maybe even touch it but never own it. The loser on the other hand avoided complete defeat. That means they will try again some day, guaranteed.

Go ahead, think about your job where win-win is part of the company or corporate philosophy. How did that win-win really work out over time? I bet it didn't, at least not all that well for you over an extended period of time.

We can either draw a new line and then deal with everything on the other side of that line or as sure as the line moved out of the middle east the lines will come to our shores and then what line will you draw and stand behind?
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Whidbey Island, WA
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I would disagree in depth and action Mack. It will require profiling, investigations into religious groups, culling potential problems from communities and more. Dead men don't come back to fight again. The legions of these monsters are fewer but their impact is high. The European leaders and those here are willing to accept losses no matter how barbaric. HOPEfully that will change.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:57 PM
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Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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Just horrible, what a way to go.

86, made it that far, only to be slaughtered by the goat-molesters of peace.
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Old 07-26-2016, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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Unfortunately, absolutely nothing is going to be done about Islamic terrorism....not one thing, in any country.
We will talk a lot, but nothing will result.

It's far easier and more self-rewarding to just sit back, point at a Trump, and bellow, "RACIST! XENOPHOBE!!"

So....nothing will be done, not one thing. Get ready for 10,000 more attacks like this one, or worse.
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Old 07-26-2016, 04:28 PM
 
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On this one narrow point they're equal.

On all others, Obama is superior.

All attacks 2009 - present pale in comparison to attacks 2001-2008.

A silly position.

Both are wrong, but at least Bush left Iraq a stable place and we didn't have as many terror attacks on the Homefront during his administration. He made a horrible mistake taking out Saddam Hussein and not letting the Baathists in power, but Obama STILL didn't learn the lesson and took out Gaddafi, and barely tried to get a new status of forces agreement in Iraq. If he really wanted it, it would have been accomplished with immunity for our troops. And the worst thing Obama has done is fund rebel forces against Assad, yet another strongman in the region who could have crushed ISIS before they grew into the huge public relations threat it is today. They won more territory and were able to recruit over the Internet because of all their successes.

Droning people doesn't work when they don't care about death. It's an ideology, and they see Obama and the rest of the Western leaders as weak.
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