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Old 07-26-2016, 10:32 PM
 
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There are more than 40,000 Christian denominations/ sects in just the US. No telling how many denims/ sects in the world.

There is no central authority figure that speaks for or leads all Christians. Most reasonable folk consider Westboro Baptist to be way out there and not real Christians. Yet, reasonable folk seem more challenged to distinguish between whack jobs and ordinary folk within Islam and tend to use a broad brush to paint almost 1 billion people.

There are 3-4 major denominations within Islam and thousands of regional/ cultural sects within.

War lords and politicians have used religion as a tool to control the masses and make land grabs since forever.

ISIS murders more Muslims than anyone else.
It is disingenuous to compare Westboro to Muslim groups worldwide. Westboro is like 20 people and half are family or something.

The only real Muslim is Muhammad. Muhammad was a pedophile, looter, torturer, rapist, slave owner, and a mass murderer.

Here is a list of terrorist groups spread all across the world, 99% of which belong to the death cult of Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rrorist_groups
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:34 PM
 
Location: SoCal & Mid-TN
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Good for India...now if the Middle Eastern countries could follow suit.





The problem is, too many Muslims read their holy words literally. Of course most Muslims will never kill.

Islam, factually speaking, encourages this behavior through its holy words. If you wage jihad against infidels and die in the process you get martyr status, which mean heaven and babes with swollen breasts.

In all honesty either Muslims are inherently better than average people and/or not that literally devout on average. You would assume more Muslim men would take up that offer and become martyrs.

Thank about it. Kill a bunch of infidels and eternal heaven with babes all over you. You don't even have to be a Muslim in good standing.
My friends are a long way from fundamentalists. They have assimilated fully and are successful business people with nice families. One of the college age kids was in the Soccer stadium in Paris when the terrorists were trying to get in. He was terrified - as was his family. But he could have easily been a victim - he was lucky.
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:38 PM
 
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The victims were elderly and therefore lacked the physical strength and agility necessary to defend themselves.

The ISIS thugs were also carrying a FAKE explosive device covered in aluminum foil.

French church attack: 'Priest killer' was being monitored - BBC News
The threat of bombs seems to work out great for these guys to have more time when they attack. If that parishioner had not slipped away and ran for help, all of the people left in the church would have died agonizing deaths on video. These people need to be wiped off the earth as far as I'm concerned, after hearing what they did to the people upstairs in the Bataclan in Paris , and in the Bangladesh restaurant attack.
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Just provide a list of Muslim-majority countries in which a Muslim can openly say he is no longer a Muslim. How many Muslim countries have an openly Ex-Muslim or Atheist club?

You don't need polls, the evidence is in your face.
Central Asia.

Specifically Indonesia which has the largest Muslim population in the world. They have managed to co- exist with Hindues, Buddhists and Christians. Islam of the Archipelago has taken a strong stance against the hijacking of Islam and misinterpretation of Jihad.
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:51 PM
 
Location: NC
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The threat of bombs seems to work out great for these guys to have more time when they attack. If that parishioner had not slipped away and ran for help, all of the people left in the church would have died agonizing deaths on video. These people need to be wiped off the earth as far as I'm concerned, after hearing what they did to the people upstairs in the Bataclan in Paris , and in the Bangladesh restaurant attack.
Muslims need to stop invading Europe and stay in their own countries. If they are legitimate refugees, they need to move to neighboring Muslim countries which share their religion of peace and customs. Let them kill each other in their own countries.
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I think most people are good at heart, and disgusted by the idea of killing another human being. Most people like to have fun and enjoy life if they have the ability. And most educated people have to question their faith a little every once in a while. Those people would naturally choose to follow the good in the Koran and ignore the bad, but Islam sure does have more than its fair share of people willing to join death cults like ISIS or al Qaeda. I think it has more to do with geography than anything. If you grow up in a country that practices strict Sharia like Saudi Arabia, then it's much easier to become barbaric.
The irony. Saudi has been a long time ally of the Us despite their lack of human / civil rights.

Bush 2 once said something along the lines of how sometimes it's necessary to hold your nose when dealing with some allies.
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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Central Asia.

Specifically Indonesia which has the largest Muslim population in the world. They have managed to co- exist with Hindues, Buddhists and Christians. Islam of the Archipelago has taken a strong stance against the hijacking of Islam and misinterpretation of Jihad.
Indonesia, every Islamic apologists favorite Muslim country, specially now that Turkey has gone to sh*t.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9h0cq9uAAo
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:58 PM
 
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There are more than 40,000 Christian denominations/ sects in just the US. No telling how many denims/ sects in the world.

There is no central authority figure that speaks for or leads all Christians. Most reasonable folk consider Westboro Baptist to be way out there and not real Christians. Yet, reasonable folk seem more challenged to distinguish between whack jobs and ordinary folk within Islam and tend to use a broad brush to paint almost 1 billion people.

There are 3-4 major denominations within Islam and thousands of regional/ cultural sects within.

War lords and politicians have used religion as a tool to control the masses and make land grabs since forever.

ISIS murders more Muslims than anyone else.
When Westboro Baptist Church gains millions of parishioners, or actually kills anyone, then I will worry about them. They are not in the same ballpark as Muslim extremists.
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:58 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I'm under no illusions about the Bush blunder. I never voted for him, even when he was governor of my state. He was an idiot, but the growth of ISIS to these proportions is all on Obama. The people who say Bush was an idiot but don't hold Obama accountable for his blunders are hypocrites. All he had to do was keep troops there, and not destabilize other countries. Now Libya is a training ground for ISIS. Afghanistan is a disaster that we can't get out of, or it will become another ISIS stronghold. From what I've read, it already is in parts. They're training little boys over there to become vicious killers. Bush started it, but Obama couldn't figure out how to get out of it and then doubled down. And he lets in refugees in the thousands.

Obama had a tough job following Bush, but he was not up for the job.
I agree, Obama's professorial approach isn't up to the job, BUT he was elected partly on a mandate to wrap up the Iraq adventure - there wasn't much of an analysis on the part of the American people, many were war weary - and just wanted the hell out. I would take it further - US ambitions - under the blundering direction of the neo-cons VASTLY underestimated the task at hand. The schisms, the undecipherable cultural variables and so on. I believe for Iraq to have had a chance to succeed, ALL of America (such was the task) would have had to have pitched in: voluntary or otherwise conscription, Rosie the Riveters, an increased 'patriotic war tax' - in addition to huge investment. As much of a superpower as we are - notwithstanding our domestic problems - we just aren't rich enough, or powerful enough to achieve that end. Instead, we were told to go out and buy large screen TVs.
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Old 07-26-2016, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It is disingenuous to compare Westboro to Muslim groups worldwide. Westboro is like 20 people and half are family or something.

The only real Muslim is Muhammad. Muhammad was a pedophile, looter, torturer, rapist, slave owner, and a mass murderer.

Here is a list of terrorist groups spread all across the world, 99% of which belong to the death cult of Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rrorist_groups
It's disingenuous to paint 1 billion Muslims in almost every country with a broad brush.

Once again you attempt to apply current laws and norms to 1400 years ago when it was common all over the world for fathers to arrange marriages / trade very young daughters, a practice which greatly preceded Mohammed's time. Consummation typically did not occur till puberty.

Fast forward to colonial Delaware that declared the age of consent for a girl to be age 7

Most historical war lords / land grabbers, including European imperialists and settlers shared similar character traits you choose to attribute exclusively to Muslims. Millions of Native Americans and Asians and Africans would likely beg to differ with your perceptions.
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