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View Poll Results: Are all Cultures Equal?
Yes, things like slavery and unalienable rights are merely subjective and amoral, not inherently right or wrong 5 8.62%
No, cultures that propagate the violation of unalienable rights are inferior to those that don't. 53 91.38%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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Different people interpret happiness differently.

Some believe having sharia law makes them happy.
So a culture (beliefs and customs of a society) is not inferior in regards to basic human rights if it propagates the death penalty for being gay?

Killing people for being gay is amoral and I should not judge such cultures that propagates the action?
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:21 PM
 
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The current vote tally apparently really is 30 to 2, as the poster "Scooby Snacks" voted Yes, but then contradicted him/herself (?) by stating that he/she (?) thinks that US culture is inferior in some aspects and thus should have voted No.



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Once again. What are the unalienable rights?

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What are unalienable rights?

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
-Defining unalienable rights can be a bit subjective...however, civilized societies must agree to overarching objective themes.

-As humans are not perfect, no society (collection of humans) will ever be perfect; therefore we can never perfectly enforce the protection of unalienable rights.

-Our society has failed miserably at times with protecting unalienable rights, but we have improved as our culture (beliefs and customs of society) has improved.



I do not have the right to take someone's unalienable right to life because they are gay.

A culture (the widely accepted beliefs and customs of a society) that propagates the murder of gay people through the creation of the death penalty for being gay, violates the unalienable right of life of the gay person.

Any civilized society must say that in this particular aspect that culture (beliefs and customs) of killing gay people for being gay is inferior and that society must never make changes towards that end.


Now you personally might believe that the belief and customs (aka culture) of a society that insists on killing gays is neither right or wrong in this instance. To you, the morality of killing people for being gay is subjective. To me, it is objectively wrong. I insist that a civilized society with a better culture must insist that its beliefs and customs protect the unalienable right of life for gay people. Civilized societies must embrace unalienable rights and that boils down to culture (the beliefs and customs of its people).

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Old 07-27-2016, 04:26 AM
 
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Cultures are suited to people in their native environments.

Is American culture superior? Not really. It's good for us, but Afghans don't particularly like it. They think that their culture is superior.

Why should I argue with them?
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Old 07-27-2016, 05:46 AM
 
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Cultures are suited to people in their native environments.

Is American culture superior? Not really. It's good for us, but Afghans don't particularly like it. They think that their culture is superior.

Why should I argue with them?
Using your logic - slavery is acceptable.

Cultures are suited to people in their native environments.

Is antebellum American culture inferior with beliefs and customs in favor of slavery? Not really. It was good for them, but people today don't particularly like it. They thought that their culture is superior.

Why should I argue with them against slavery?
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:10 AM
 
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I don't like the equal, superior, or inferior implication of this question.

There are some things that are just plain wrong, like murder, rape, slavery, etc. If these things are "acceptable" in a culture, that needs to be changed. Sadly, a lot of us accept certain things that are considered "wrong" if we justify them enough.

There are other things though that really don't matter. Whether somebody works 8-5 Monday through Friday or 9-12 and 4-7 Monday through Thursday with a siesta in the middle isn't relevant, for example.
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:18 AM
 
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I don't like the equal, superior, or inferior implication of this question.

There are some things that are just plain wrong, like murder, rape, slavery, etc. If these things are "acceptable" in a culture, that needs to be changed. Sadly, a lot of us accept certain things that are considered "wrong" if we justify them enough.

In your post you admit that all cultures are not equal.

If you believe a culture (the beliefs and customs) of a society "needs to be changed" it is in fact inferior in that aspect to a culture that doesn't need to be changed in that regard.



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There are other things though that really don't matter. Whether somebody works 8-5 Monday through Friday or 9-12 and 4-7 Monday through Thursday with a siesta in the middle isn't relevant, for example.
Things like: "is Mexican cuisine or Italian cuisine better?"....has nothing to with unalienable rights and must be considered purely subjective and NOT quantifiable.

Cultures that say kill gay people for being gay, own slaves, etc...go against unalienable rights and civilized societies must condemn them and consider this purely objective and quantifiable.
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:36 AM
 
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Marital rape is a crime, because our society's beliefs and customs (aka culture) outlaws it.


Marital rape was once legal, because our society's beliefs and customs (aka culture) accepted marital rape.


Our culture was once fine with "a husband cannot be guilty of the rape of his wife because the wife "hath given up herself in this kind to her husband, which she cannot retract." Has our culture not improved in this regard because all 50 states have gotten rid of the marital rape exemption (by 1993) due to our society's changing beliefs and customs (aka culture)?
You were speaking about "rape culture." All I said was that rape is not a culture, it is an act/action. I also stated our American culture has evolved/changed in regards to the rape and aspects of it that are a crime or not.

However, I also followed up with your example of 1816 culture being inferior to 2016 with the fact that in 1816 American society did have what some would consider "better" values and morals (i.e. cultural aspects) versus our 2016 American culture. You did not answer my question in regards to if you believe any aspects of 1816 American culture were superior/better than 2016 American culture.

If you think any aspects of 1816 American culture are superior/better than 2016 American culture then you cannot equivocally say that it is a fact that 1816 American culture is inferior/worse than 2016 American culture.
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:41 AM
 
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It wasn't cruel or unusual.
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Old 07-27-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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So a culture (beliefs and customs of a society) is not inferior in regards to basic human rights if it propagates the death penalty for being gay?

Killing people for being gay is amoral and I should not judge such cultures that propagates the action?
Once again, I must ask what the basic human rights are?

Hint: there's none.
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Old 07-27-2016, 07:07 AM
 
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The current vote tally apparently really is 30 to 2, as the poster "Scooby Snacks" voted Yes, but then contradicted him/herself (?) by stating that he/she (?) thinks that US culture is inferior in some aspects and thus should have voted No.

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What are unalienable rights?

-Defining unalienable rights can be a bit subjective...however, civilized societies must agree to overarching objective themes.

-As humans are not perfect, no society (collection of humans) will ever be perfect; therefore we can never perfectly enforce the protection of unalienable rights.

-Our society has failed miserably at times with protecting unalienable rights, but we have improved as our culture (beliefs and customs of society) has improved.


I do not have the right to take someone's unalienable right to life because they are gay.

A culture (the widely accepted beliefs and customs of a society) that propagates the murder of gay people through the creation of the death penalty for being gay, violates the unalienable right of life of the gay person.

Any civilized society must say that in this particular aspect that culture (beliefs and customs) of killing gay people for being gay is inferior and that society must never make changes towards that end.


Now you personally might believe that the belief and customs (aka culture) of a society that insists on killing gays is neither right or wrong in this instance. To you, the morality of killing people for being gay is subjective. To me, it is objectively wrong. I insist that a civilized society with a better culture must insist that its beliefs and customs protect the unalienable right of life for gay people. Civilized societies must embrace unalienable rights and that boils down to culture (the beliefs and customs of its people).
Americans aren't gods. We don't define everything. You posted some old American's view on "unalienable" rights which most Americans including the supreme court today don't even agree.

There aren't any unalienable rights. Period!

What we, USA, have are just some privileges that can be taken away anytime and they are getting less and less each day as the people become more dependent on the government.
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