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Old 07-27-2016, 01:45 PM
 
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We have killed thousands of innocent women and children but we ease our conscience by calling them "collateral damage".

Where they fleeing because of our actions in the first place?

Don't forget the Crusades which led to the extinction of the unicorn.
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Old 07-27-2016, 02:52 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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Maybe.....but as I note...we will come up with all kinds of excuses for our actions when dead is dead.


We can not condemn others for what we refuse to stop doing.
Even in the cause of defense of freedom, keeping the peace, or defending our own interests or others' abroad?

I love the world you seem to believe in -- if only we stopped first, then they would stop too. We can only wish.

I think that went out with the unicorn.
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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Even in the cause of defense of freedom, keeping the peace, or defending our own interests or others' abroad?
Could the men not argue they were defending their own interests?

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I love the world you seem to believe in -- if only we stopped first, then they would stop too. We can only wish.
I did NOT say that. If you want to address what I said, great.
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Old 07-27-2016, 05:47 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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Somehow the first thought I had was that the men sacrificed the women to appease some tribal deity so it would keep them alive.
The most popular deity among African tribes is Jehovah. Some call him God, other Allah.

Either way, sounds plausible.
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:15 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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Could the men not argue they were defending their own interests?



I did NOT say that. If you want to address what I said, great.
Sorry. I understood you to say that if we stopped killing them over there, they'd stop hating us and killing us.

As for your first question, "Could the men not argue they were defending their own interests?"
That takes us around in circles with no solution. That is, after all, the source of conflict isn't it.
Different views, different positions sometimes lead to deadly conflicts. Despots should be tolerated if they come against us, or their own people even?
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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Sorry. I understood you to say that if we stopped killing them over there, they'd stop hating us and killing us.
No, I said we had no moral standing in condemning others for things we do ourselves.

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As for your first question, "Could the men not argue they were defending their own interests?"
That takes us around in circles with no solution. That is, after all, the source of conflict isn't it.
Different views, different positions sometimes lead to deadly conflicts. Despots should be tolerated if they come against us, or their own people even?
We are not the world police. We have enough problems of our own. Syria nor Libya did anything to us. It's a stretch to argue Iraq did. The people of Afghanistan did not.
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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No, I said we had no moral standing in condemning others for things we do ourselves.

We are not the world police. We have enough problems of our own. Syria nor Libya did anything to us. It's a stretch to argue Iraq did. The people of Afghanistan did not.
That is NOT the reason we face ISIS and Islamic terror. It has always been there, waiting for the opportunity to reestablish the Caliphate. The turmoil in the ME gave them room and opportunity to grow and move forward with their agenda.

But we're off topic so I'll end with that.
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Old 07-27-2016, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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Boat full of men and women. The women all end up dead.

Autopsy to determine exactly what? How the men killed the women?

The boat didn't do it. They weren't killed by sharks or other marine life.

They weren't hit by lightning.

The women didn't all kill each other because then one would be left alive.

The men killed the women. Why does it seem to matter how they did it?
And wonder why some want women presidents. The inequality in the world is repulsive .
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Old 07-27-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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That is NOT the reason we face ISIS and Islamic terror.
I have NO idea where that came from as no one has been discussing that so I'll just ignore it.
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Old 07-27-2016, 07:21 PM
 
Location: 60630
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Ship them back home.
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