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Old 07-28-2016, 08:00 AM
 
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In fairness, if you put what he said into context, he wasn't arguing anything close to pro-slavery. He was sort of defending the actions of the government 200+ years ago but was mostly just giving an honest assessment of the events. Some slaves and some non-slaves were those building the White House. He points out that the slaves were well fed. While he probably shouldn't have even added that for his own sake, it's most likely true. Some slaves were treated relatively well, as far as slaves go. Some were not. Regardless, slavery is bad, but I can at least appreciate the slave owner who feeds his slaves and gives them reasonable housing far more than the slave owner who doesn't.
He was trying to diminish the horror of slavery. That's not honest. It was partisanship, because he was trying to play down First Lady Obama's speech.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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Why is this thread about slavery, there nothing you can do about it, it ended 150 year ago

What do you want me to do about it
Just agree that Bill O'Reilly shouldn't have tried to make slavery seem good or not that bad.

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In fairness, if you put what he said into context, he wasn't arguing anything close to pro-slavery. He was sort of defending the actions of the government 200+ years ago but was mostly just giving an honest assessment of the events. Some slaves and some non-slaves were those building the White House. He points out that the slaves were well fed. While he probably shouldn't have even added that for his own sake, it's most likely true. Some slaves were treated relatively well, as far as slaves go. Some were not. Regardless, slavery is bad, but I can at least appreciate the slave owner who feeds his slaves and gives them reasonable housing far more than the slave owner who doesn't.
There is no reason for him to point out that some slaves were "well fed." If he were giving an honest assessment, IMO he should have pointed out that a large part of the labor force for the construction of the White House were slaves, especially those who cut the stones and timber for its construction. Also that they were not paid for their labor, their master's were. Also that it is true that free black people also worked on the White House along with white Americans and recent European immigrants.

FWIW IMO I don't see why he even needed to discuss it. He only did due to Michelle Obama's speech. Everyone who is not a dullard knows that DC is between two "slave states" so of course a large percent (probably a majority) of the laborers who built the White House were slaves and nearly all of the servants during the terms of the first 10 presidents were slaves. He could also have pointed out that it is sad that the actual people who supplied the materials (via back breaking work) and who constructed the White House and who later served as maintenance and servants for the White House are unknown even though they made a huge contribution to our Capital and our country and our leaders as a whole. We should honor their legacy instead of diminishing their works and lives and especially by trying to soften the evilness of slavery.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:15 AM
 
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Look at the conditions that the Democrats have put black people into today. Bad housing, bad family structure and no economic hope. This after the Democrats have them Jim Crow laws.

The only question I have is how long will black people be the Democrats suckers?
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:22 AM
 
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Look at the conditions that the Democrats have put black people into today. Bad housing, bad family structure and no economic hope. This after the Democrats have them Jim Crow laws.

The only question I have is how long will black people be the Democrats suckers?
As long as Republicans hold views like those you just expressed.

Black people aren't suckers.

Black people are intelligent, thoughtful human beings. They supported the Republicans in the post-Civil War. But the Republican Party of 1870 is not the same as the Republican Party of today. And the Democratic Party of 1870 is not the same as the Democratic Party of today. This is a fact. It is a fact that black people appreciate. And it's odd that it's a fact that conservatives like to ignore, if only as a pretense. Ignoring facts is not a good strategy for a political party.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:25 AM
 
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I am a big Bill O'Reilly fan, but I believe he has crossed the line.
He explained what he said, as if he had to. People who didn't watch were willing to jump on saying stuff he didn't say.


I am not even a fan and I understood what he said.......think one would call out the Democrats if this issue is as big of a problem as some on here cry about.


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As long as Republicans hold views like those you just expressed.

Black people aren't suckers.

Black people are intelligent, thoughtful human beings. They supported the Republicans in the post-Civil War. But the Republican Party of 1870 is not the same as the Republican Party of today. And the Democratic Party of 1870 is not the same as the Democratic Party of today. This is a fact. It is a fact that black people appreciate. And it's odd that it's a fact that conservatives like to ignore, if only as a pretense. Ignoring facts is not a good strategy for a political party.
Wow! You are drinking early today! What a bunch of BS, no wonder some uneducated blacks/whites follow this crap!
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:27 AM
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Look at the conditions that the Democrats have put black people into today. Bad housing, bad family structure and no economic hope. This after the Democrats have them Jim Crow laws.

The only question I have is how long will black people be the Democrats suckers?
Actually, Blacks are doing better now than ever. More Blacks have entered the middle and upper classes than before. More Blacks are getting university diplomas than ever. More Blacks are serving in public office than ever, more Blacks than before are entering the professional jobs.

Divorce rates and out of wedlock births rates have gone up for everybody, and Blacks had it the worst before the Democrats of the 60s got there.

Alot of Blacks have economic hope. The ghetto is not the best sample for the average Black person. What you have in the ghetto is what's left after Blacks with talent and good prospects leave.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:32 AM
 
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The 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery, passed in 1865 with 100% Republican support but only 23% Democrat support in congress.

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Yes, the Republican Party was the liberal party in the US for the first 50 years. Teddy Roosevelt is well-known as a Progressive reformer. That dynamic started to change with the election of Woodrow Wilson in 1912.
The Democrats in the South kept slavery going, in effect, for another 100 years after the Civil War, through segregation and Jim Crow laws. Even in 1964, the Civil Rights Act was supported by 80% of Republicans in the House, but only 63% of Democrats. When it passed, President Johnson was quoted as saying "We have lost the South for a generation."
It was even more dramatic than LBJ thought. Today the South is solidly red, the GOP is now the party of the KKK as well as those whose racism is less overt, the Democratic Party is overwhelmingly supported by African-Americans and other minorities. The switching of sides is now complete.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:34 AM
 
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Wow! You are drinking early today! What a bunch of BS, no wonder some uneducated blacks/whites follow this crap!
Wow! When you can't rebut, try insult instead!
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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Slavery in and of itself is an abomination. Whether a slave was poorly treated or well-treated in no way qualifies the abomination as good or bad. Slavery is bad. The concept that another human being is so inferior that they are sub-human, which is the fundamental belief that allows human beings to be treated as chattel, is bad.
Are you so ignorant that you think there are many people today that think slavery is good.? People can rationalize anything. Today people rationalize killing their children through abortion. This suppose to be progressive thinking. They are closer to thinking people have no rights and they can do what they want with a human life. They would readily accept slavery as being their right.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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Look at the conditions that the Democrats have put black people into today. Bad housing, bad family structure and no economic hope.
Yep... Bad schools. Segregated schools. Segregated communities...

The most segregated schools are in blue states:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...youd-expect-2/

Chicago: America's most segregated city - Jan. 5, 2016

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The only question I have is how long will black people be the Democrats' suckers?
I'm guessing forever. Sad, but true. They just WON'T get a clue.
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