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Old 08-05-2016, 04:25 PM
 
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Lol.

You enjoyed making this post, didn't you?
And so?

No rebuttal?
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Old 08-05-2016, 04:32 PM
 
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We agree.

Causes Of The Civil War | History Detectives | PBS
The way history is taught in schools is sanitized and watered down It is no surprise that people assume it was only about slavery or that it was only to free the slaves. Another problem is the PC movement twisting facts and making them the required study.
The average southern soldier never owned a slave and likely never would. For starters they simply didn't have the money required to buy one. Too say they fought to keeps slaves would be a stretch. More like to keep their status. Although poor at least they weren't the lowest class. Most of them believed in states rights and that is what they were fighting for.
From the narrative on your link:

"More from Wes about the causes of the Civil War.

What led to the outbreak of the bloodiest conflict in the history of North America?

A common explanation is that the Civil War was fought over the moral issue of *******.

In fact, it was the economics of ******* and political control of that system that was central to the conflict.

A key issue was states' rights.

The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government so they could abolish federal laws they didn't support, especially laws interfering with the South's right to keep ****** and take them wherever they wished.

Another factor was territorial expansion.

The South wished to take ******* into the western territories, while the North was committed to keeping them open to white labor alone.

Meanwhile, the newly formed Republican party, whose members were strongly opposed to the westward expansion of ******* into new states, was gaining prominence.

The election of a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, as President in 1860 sealed the deal. His victory, without a single Southern electoral vote, was a clear signal to the Southern states that they had lost all influence.

Feeling excluded from the political system, they turned to the only alternative they believed was left to them: secession, a political decision that led directly to war."

It should be noted ******* & ****** refers to either 'slavery' or 'slaves'. Slavery was the sine qua non cause, the central issue, without which, there is no War.

Also worth noting, white supremacy was North, South, East & West.

The States' right that is the issue is the right (or 'freedom' for the lovers of 'Liberty' here ) to own people as property.

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Old 08-05-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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And so?

No rebuttal?
There's nothing to refute. You made a factual statement.

But how much joy did you get out of that post? You can tell me. I won't say anything.
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Old 08-05-2016, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Are there really people in America who have no concept of the reality of life from 1600-1865?
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Old 08-05-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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There's nothing to refute. You made a factual statement.

But how much joy did you get out of that post? You can tell me. I won't say anything.
I'll tell you if you agree to ******* out the words in the various Slave States' declarations of cause for secession.

& if you underline the changes to the Constitution of the Confederate States of America referring to ******* or ****** specifying race based slavery.

Deal?
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Old 08-05-2016, 04:49 PM
 
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Bill O'Reilly Wants You To Know That The Slaves Who Built The White House Were Well-Fed

"Slaves that worked there were well-fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government, which stopped hiring slave labor in 1802. However, the feds did not forbid subcontractors from using slave labor."

What in the world could this passage mean? Could O'Reilly really thing that how well a slave is fed is a cogent argument - that "cuisine" offered makes slave-holding less of an abomination?

Do some people really think slavery was some kind of entry level job with just a few "perks?"
yeah...the millenials.....that aside, young blacks don't have a clue. They ***** the loudest and yet, have been afforded every opportunity their parents and particularly their grand and great grandparents could ever have dreamed of.....and yet, not a peep from that side.....

Slavery has been with mankind since the beginning. Egyptians were very adept at it as were the Romans as were the Spaniards, and so on and so on.

Recognize it but, get over it. To every people a king, to every people a slave.....no one escapes it....the blacks as you know them, not as their ancestors, are just a more recent variety of it.
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Old 08-05-2016, 04:53 PM
 
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How many of us would turn away using slaves if we had to raise cash crops in the 1700s. Considering what life was like-none of us would refuse.
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Old 08-05-2016, 04:59 PM
 
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I'll tell you if you agree to ******* out the words in the various Slave States' declarations of cause for secession.

& if you underline the changes to the Constitution of the Confederate States of America referring to ******* or ****** specifying race based slavery.

Deal?
That's a terrible deal.

For both of us really.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:24 PM
 
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yeah...the millenials.....that aside, young blacks don't have a clue. They ***** the loudest and yet, have been afforded every opportunity their parents and particularly their grand and great grandparents could ever have dreamed of.....and yet, not a peep from that side.....

Slavery has been with mankind since the beginning. Egyptians were very adept at it as were the Romans as were the Spaniards, and so on and so on.

Recognize it but, get over it. To every people a king, to every people a slave.....no one escapes it....the blacks as you know them, not as their ancestors, are just a more recent variety of it.
Yes, just about every ethnic/religious group has suffered the inhumanity and terrors of slavery. I just would hope that a supposed educated man like BO'R would have more intelligence and human empathy in place of callousness about the subject.

As for others... This is one of those "I weep for mankind" issues where the older generation watches as the younger gen marches with a recalcitrant ignorance - headlong into the mistakes of the past. Mistakes that just a little more education and a little less space cadet attitude could prevent.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:29 PM
 
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Are there really people in America who have no concept of the reality of life from 1600-1865?
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How many of us would turn away using slaves if we had to raise cash crops in the 1700s. Considering what life was like-none of us would refuse.
Bull****! There have been both empty souled and righteous people throughout history. Speak ONLY for yourself as you dump your own soul onto the trash heap.
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