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Old 08-11-2016, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Huntsville
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Just look at all the people on C-D alone who are involved in threads with racial topics.

Does one party tend to get over 90% of the Black vote?

Does one party tend to get a huge majority of the Latino vote?

Whether we want it to matter, or not, it does.




People who feel as if they are being attacked respond out of emotion. I've seen it on both sides. It only matters when you decide to allow it to matter.
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Old 08-14-2016, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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How does that respond to my post?

Essentially, people in the South were so poor that most couldn't afford slaves.
Not many people owned slaves was the point. A minute amount of the people does not reflect the southern church goers.
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Old 08-14-2016, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Caribbean
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It's called willful ignorance.
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Old 08-14-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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where you find that number at?
In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the US census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states. The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves. Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

Hidden Facts about Slavery in America -

google percentage of people in america who owned slaves
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Old 08-14-2016, 08:35 AM
 
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are there still cry babies out there with no concept that it's 2016?
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Old 08-14-2016, 08:35 AM
 
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Doesn't matter. The rest endorsed it and saw the racial caste system as beneficial to maintain white supremacy. Poor whites aspired to join the planter class one day with slaves of their own.
No they didn't endorse it. They are not stupid. Anyone with a little bit of business know how would understand it hurts their wallet to endorse it.

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That's why so many poor whites (damn near all the whites in the south) were so fanatical about the war even if few had more than slave or two.
It was about states rights and the federal government over reach. if it was about taxes, and part of it was, the same thing would have happened.

Sorry it doesn't fit into your anti white agenda.
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Old 08-14-2016, 09:09 AM
 
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No they didn't endorse it. They are not stupid. Anyone with a little bit of business know how would understand it hurts their wallet to endorse it. ...
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“The system of slavery demanded a special police force and such a force was made possible and unusually effective by the presence of the poor whites. This explains the difference between the slave revolts in the West Indies, and the lack of effective revolt in the Southern United States. In the West Indies, the power over the slave was held by the whites and carried out by them and such Negroes as they could trust. In the South, on the other hand, the great planters formed proportionately quite as small a class but they had singularly enough at their command some five million poor whites; that is, there were actually more white people to police the slaves than there were slaves. Considering the economic rivalry of the black and white worker in the North, it would have seemed natural that the poor white would have refused to police the slaves.

But two considerations led him in the opposite direction. First of all, it gave him work and some authority as overseer, slave driver, and member of the patrol system. But above and beyond this, it fed his vanity because it associated him with the masters. Slavery bred in the poor white a dislike of Negro toil of all sorts. He never regarded himself as a laborer, or as part of any labor movement. If he had any ambition at all it was to become a planter and to own "n_____." To these Negroes he transferred all the dislike and hatred which he had for the whole slave system. The result was that the system was held stable and intact by the poor white.”
Excerpt From: Du Bois, W. E. B. (William Edward Burghardt), 1868-1963. “Black reconstruction; an essay toward a history of the part which black folk played in the attempt to reconstruct democracy in America, 1860-1880.” New York, Harcourt, Brace and Company, 1935. iBooks.

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Old 08-14-2016, 09:21 AM
 
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“The system of slavery demanded a special police force and such a force was made possible and unusually effective by the presence of the poor whites. This explains the difference between the slave revolts in the West Indies, and the lack of effective revolt in the Southern United States. In the West Indies, the power over the slave was held by the whites and carried out by them and such Negroes as they could trust. In the South, on the other hand, the great planters formed proportionately quite as small a class but they had singularly enough at their command some five million poor whites; that is, there were actually more white people to police the slaves than there were slaves. Considering the economic rivalry of the black and white worker in the North, it would have seemed natural that the poor white would have refused to police the slaves.

But two considerations led him in the opposite direction. First of all, it gave him work and some authority as overseer, slave driver, and member of the patrol system. But above and beyond this, it fed his vanity because it associated him with the masters. Slavery bred in the poor white a dislike of Negro toil of all sorts. He never regarded himself as a laborer, or as part of any labor movement. If he had any ambition at all it was to become a planter and to own "n_____." To these Negroes he transferred all the dislike and hatred which he had for the whole slave system. The result was that the system was held stable and intact by the poor white.”

Excerpt From: Du Bois, W. E. B. (William Edward Burghardt), 1868-1963. “Black reconstruction; an essay toward a history of the part which black folk played in the attempt to reconstruct democracy in America, 1860-1880.” New York, Harcourt, Brace and Company, 1935. iBooks.
Good points.
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Old 08-14-2016, 09:45 AM
 
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Good points.
Well thanks however these points were made almost a century ago & the quote was from Mr. Du Bois.

I live in NY & have friends from Haiti. An extremely fascinating history, I've read books on recommendation although there's nothing like hearing from folks who know their own history. One of my most memorable 'tutorials' was on a 20 minute cab ride home from JFK.
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Old 08-14-2016, 09:51 AM
 
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“The system of slavery demanded a special police force and such a force was made possible and unusually effective by the presence of the poor whites. This explains the difference between the slave revolts in the West Indies, and the lack of effective revolt in the Southern United States. In the West Indies, the power over the slave was held by the whites and carried out by them and such Negroes as they could trust. In the South, on the other hand, the great planters formed proportionately quite as small a class but they had singularly enough at their command some five million poor whites; that is, there were actually more white people to police the slaves than there were slaves. Considering the economic rivalry of the black and white worker in the North, it would have seemed natural that the poor white would have refused to police the slaves.

But two considerations led him in the opposite direction. First of all, it gave him work and some authority as overseer, slave driver, and member of the patrol system. But above and beyond this, it fed his vanity because it associated him with the masters. Slavery bred in the poor white a dislike of Negro toil of all sorts. He never regarded himself as a laborer, or as part of any labor movement. If he had any ambition at all it was to become a planter and to own "n_____." To these Negroes he transferred all the dislike and hatred which he had for the whole slave system. The result was that the system was held stable and intact by the poor white.”

Excerpt From: Du Bois, W. E. B. (William Edward Burghardt), 1868-1963. “Black reconstruction; an essay toward a history of the part which black folk played in the attempt to reconstruct democracy in America, 1860-1880.” New York, Harcourt, Brace and Company, 1935. iBooks.
You're talking about a very small percentage. How many poor whites were hired to police as well as hunt down runaway slaves?

Also how does "never regarded himself as a laborer" fit when an overwhelming percentage of southern whites were laborers?
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