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Old 07-28-2016, 03:56 AM
 
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What do "other Americans" have to do with it?

This thread is about slavery.
It's about a ridiculous obsession.
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Old 07-28-2016, 04:02 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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No, it isn't "kinda wrong," and you might be surprised about the design/blueprints because many black slaves were very skilled artisans and craftspeople.

The problem with the "living conditions" conversation is that it is a distraction and completely beside the point, about as clear as an example of a rhetorical red herring that folks would be able to find.

The White House was, in fact, as M. Obama stated, built by slave labor and ingenuity.
Imagine how you would feel if you have a great skill that is valuable. And you and your skill belong to someone else, who profits from your skill while you receive nothing in return. Not even any recognition, and certainly no independence or liberty for you.

Skilled slaves often received better housing and food than other slaves, but they could not go out and work for someone they chose. Their wives and children could be taken from them and sold at any time, no matter how good they were and how well they served their master.
They could not freely take on challenging work, they could not make the critical decisions any craftsman makes, such as when to stop. They could not decide not to work when conditions were adverse and the work could fail or be of poor quality.

They couldn't go home to the wife and kids at the end of the day unless they had permission.

Slavery takes everything away from a person. None of us know just what that means these days. Think about everything you do, every one who is important to you, and everything you own does not truly belong to you. It can all be taken at any time.
And you can not only do nothing about it, you can't even walk away once its all gone. Your mind is another's possession, just as much as your body is.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:09 AM
 
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This is the author you've quoted:
Michael Anthony Hoffman II (born 1957)[1] is an American Holocaust denier[2][3] and conspiracy theorist.[1][2]

Hoffman is the author of eight self-published works:

The Great Holocaust Trial: The Landmark Battle for the Right to Doubt the West's Most Sacred Relic[7]
They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America
The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians (with Moshe Lieberman)
Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare
Judaism's Strange Gods
Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit
Usury in Christendom: The Mortal Sin that Was and Now is Not
A Candidate for the Order (a novel)

Hoffman has also written the introductions for modern reprints, which he also published, of:

The Traditions of the Jews by Johann Andreas Eisenmenger
The Talmud Tested by Alexander McCaul, D.D.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_A._Hoffman_II
It makes me think said persons espouse such beliefs. If there is anyone that makes my stomach turn, it's Holocaust deniers.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:10 AM
 
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The slaves in the Bible usually weren't kept for life except for certain circumstances. They did try to keep Jews enslaved for life.
And the Jews were freed, and that is celebrated.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:23 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Everyone's ancestors were slaves if you go back far enough in history. Some are too ignorant to know this or are just propagandists.
Yep. Ignorance is a HUGE part of the problem.

Ignorance of the facts that:

It was African Blacks who captured, enslaved, and sold Blacks into the Atlantic slave trade.
The first legal slave owner in the American Colonies was a Black man.
Whites as well as Blacks were sold into slavery and shipped overseas to the American Colonies.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:30 AM
 
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It's about a ridiculous obsession.
And being obsessive compulsive, and no life whatsoever, and having something bigger than yourself to use as a perennial excuse. Too bad excuses and failure go hand-in-hand.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:33 AM
 
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Why is this thread about slavery, there nothing you can do about it, it ended 150 year ago

What do you want me to do about it
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:34 AM
 
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Imagine how you would feel if you have a great skill that is valuable. And you and your skill belong to someone else, who profits from your skill while you receive nothing in return. Not even any recognition, and certainly no independence or liberty for you.

Skilled slaves often received better housing and food than other slaves, but they could not go out and work for someone they chose. Their wives and children could be taken from them and sold at any time, no matter how good they were and how well they served their master.
They could not freely take on challenging work, they could not make the critical decisions any craftsman makes, such as when to stop. They could not decide not to work when conditions were adverse and the work could fail or be of poor quality.

They couldn't go home to the wife and kids at the end of the day unless they had permission.

Slavery takes everything away from a person. None of us know just what that means these days. Think about everything you do, every one who is important to you, and everything you own does not truly belong to you. It can all be taken at any time.
And you can not only do nothing about it, you can't even walk away once its all gone. Your mind is another's possession, just as much as your body is.
And all the people in Pompeii were killed by a Volcano, but that too was in the past!!!!!
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:36 AM
 
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Get over it, or report it to the mods.


Dude, go get another tat.
Don't have any. Go get another excuse - this one wore thin about 50 years ago.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:42 AM
 
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Why is this thread about slavery, there nothing you can do about it, it ended 150 year ago

What do you want me to do about it
Maybe it's because of something Bill O'Reilly said. Maybe it's because Bill O'Reilly is trying to downplay the horrors of slavery. Ever thought of that?

No one is asking anything of you, except this. Admit that Bill O'Reilly is wrong. Why do you think this is about you?
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