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Old 07-27-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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For the record, the United States can vet the refugees through a process that involves the FBI as well as the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense and other agencies. The vetting process can take up to two years, in which refugees undergo several rounds of security clearance checks. But many of these checks are already being done, but US policy, ignores what has been done and starts over, lengthening the process for the refugee.

Director Comey stated he cannot personally vet every refugee admitted to the United States but the current process is effective and has gotten more so in the past few years.

Family reunification is third in the list of priorities by US policy. Most of those trying to obtain entrance are priority 1 or 2.

Priority 1: Cases that are identified and referred to the program by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), a United States Embassy, or a designated non-governmental organization (NGO).
Priority 2: Groups of special humanitarian concern identified by the U.S. refugee program.
Priority 3: Family reunification cases (spouses, unmarried children under 21, and parents of persons lawfully admitted to the United States as refugees or asylees or permanent residents (green card holders) or U.S. citizens who previously had refugee or asylum status).
I disagree with your first post about inaccuracy of polls in certain countries.

And for the record, BOTH the FBI and CIA are saying THEY DO NOT HAVE a proper system in place to properly vet them.

This is the quote from Comey:

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FBI Director James Comey added in congressional testimony last month that “a number of people who were of serious concern” slipped through the screening of Iraq War refugees, including two arrested on terrorism-related charges. “There’s no doubt that was the product of a less than excellent vetting,” he said.


Although Comey said the process has since “improved dramatically,” Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data,” he said. “I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this.”
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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There is an easy solution to stop the massive flow of people. Quit destroying their countries.
Sharia was the foundation for this religion long before the US was involved in the middle east.
What about the other counties that Sharia law followers have targeted?
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:34 PM
 
Location: WY
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For the record, the United States can vet the refugees through a process that involves the FBI as well as the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense and other agencies. The vetting process can take up to two years, in which refugees undergo several rounds of security clearance checks. But many of these checks are already being done, but US policy, ignores what has been done and starts over, lengthening the process for the refugee.

Director Comey stated he cannot personally vet every refugee admitted to the United States but the current process is effective and has gotten more so in the past few years.

Family reunification is third in the list of priorities by US policy. Most of those trying to obtain entrance are priority 1 or 2.

Priority 1: Cases that are identified and referred to the program by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), a United States Embassy, or a designated non-governmental organization (NGO).
Priority 2: Groups of special humanitarian concern identified by the U.S. refugee program.
Priority 3: Family reunification cases (spouses, unmarried children under 21, and parents of persons lawfully admitted to the United States as refugees or asylees or permanent residents (green card holders) or U.S. citizens who previously had refugee or asylum status).
Security clearance checks? What security clearance checks? In war torn nations there are no data bases to check. For many refugees there is no way to even check that they are who they say they are. And let's not forget the ISIS has stolen blank passports. If you are financed well enough, you can be anyone you say you are.

You cannot say with a straight face that we are able to effectively check on each and every refugee that saunters into our country. The freakin' FBI and CIA can't say that.

I have a bowl of Skittles. Two in the bowl are poison and will kill you if you eat them. But the rest taste great. Help yourself. Enjoy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...es-from-syria/
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:34 PM
 
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How come the Syrian Christians are the ones really being targeted over there but the majority of refugees are Muslims?
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Old 07-27-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Security clearance checks? What security clearance checks? In war torn nations there are no data bases to check. For many refugees there is no way to even check that they are who they say they are. And let's not forget the ISIS has stolen blank passports. If you are financed well enough, you can be anyone you say you are.

You cannot say with a straight face that we are able to effectively check on each and every refugee that saunters into our country. The freakin' FBI and CIA can't say that.

I have a bowl of Skittles. Two in the bowl are poison and will kill you if you eat them. But the rest taste great. Help yourself. Enjoy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...es-from-syria/
It is a vetting process. It's questions and more questions and more questions. A potential terrorist is not going to sit through a long drawn out process in a hellhole interment camp, when all he has to do is buy a ticket and catch a plane over.

You think we do complete security checks on folks who in the past, walked ashore from Cuba or the hundreds of thousands from the Russia, China and former Yugoslavia? Those countries are not going to let us do any kind of serious check, but we allow a whole lot of people in from them. So even if a full vetting process works. Nobody can guarantee 100%. No matter how long or complex the process is.


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There are always risks in allowing any foreigners into the U.S., Comey told the officials, adding that the FBI believes it has an effective process with intelligence and other agencies to conduct vetting of refugees.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/politi...e-legislation/

National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen:
As Director Comey suggested, we have a lot of lessons learned in this area from when we went through similar processes over the last several years dealing with other large refugee populations. So I think we have now worked successfully to make sure that every bit of available intelligence information that the United States government holds will be looked at with respect to a potential nexus to someone being screened as a potential refugee.

I certainly feel good about that process, and the degree to which we have tightened that up over time. You can't account for what you don't know, and that goes to the intelligence deficit that I think is embedded in your question.

What we can do, though, is understand where the potential vulnerabilities are so that we are asking in the screening and vetting process the right kinds of questions to give our screeners and vetters the best possible opportunity to make an informed judgment.

It is not a perfect process. There is a degree of risk attached to any screening and vetting process. We look to manage that risk as best we can.
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:00 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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This article compiles information from a few polls that have been conducted. The Pew Research study was conducted in 39 countries with 38,000 Muslims and involved face-to-face interviews, so the apologists cannot argue that the study is too small for their liking.

Polls Demonstrating Muslim Intolerance and Support for Terrorism Help Explain Recent Attacks | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com


Let's say Clinton wants to take in 65,000 refugees. And let's incorrectly assume that only 1% of those we take in want to do us harm, even though the number is higher. That's 6,500 people who have no problem dying if it means taking several of us out.

While the FBI has done a great job in thwarting a lot of attacks (someone last night gave a number that was over 100) on our soil, the more people we allow into the country, the higher the odds that the FBI won't be able to handle everything that crosses their desks.

It only takes one or two to kill an entire group of people.

SB could have been avoided but the FBI agent working on that case was told by Clinton's office to back off because he was unfairly profiling Muslims.

The FBI Director, the Director of the CIA, and counterterrorist experts have all stated it would be dangerous for us to allow refugees into the country at this time, since we have no way to properly vet them.

WHY would any American support allowing more to enter the country? WTH is wrong with you people that you think this is okay??? Why is more of your concern with Muslims coming out of these countries than it is with your fellow citizens?

Why don't you care that people WILL be killed here?
Political Correctness.

No matter how economically unsound, socially unstable or politically unwise, people think they must support EVERY politically correct idea that the PC corporate media push, regardless of the consequences. You do not want to look backwards, do you?!?
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:02 PM
 
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Basically they like the idea of conquering the world like the good old Nazi days with Germany.
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:02 PM
 
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The issue is much broader than whether to take Syrian refugees and if any are affiliated with ISIS.

Firstly the 50+ Muslim countries should be absorbing Muslim refugees. No Infidel country should bear this burden.

Secondly, the broader issue is whether to allow Muslims to immigrate at all. The answer is No. Islam is incompatible with modern secular values. You can't separate the good from the bad Muslims. The risks far outweigh any rewards (if any at all).

The only Muslims that should be given the privilege to live in the West are Ex-Muslims, who are fleeing Islam.

Islam has no place in a civilized society.
Some excellent points.
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Old 07-27-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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There is an easy solution to stop the massive flow of people. Quit destroying their countries.
How is that working for Switzerland?
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Old 07-27-2016, 04:31 PM
 
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Why would we take them in anyway? We gain nothing whatsoever. There is no reason to allow them in. None.
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