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Old 07-27-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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Many have perhaps rightly criticized the idea of physically breaking the United States up into politically Left and Right camps.

The foremost objection being that it would be logistically impossible because so many Liberals and Conservatives are mixed together in the same states all across the country.

That's probably a valid objection.

So here is my second proposal for a peaceful breaking up:

What if we did it in small doses?

What if we got some states to agree to set aside small neutral experimental areas or pockets where left-wing groups can experiment with just left-wing ideas and right-wing groups can experiment with just right-wing ideas and neither one can impose on the other?

And anyone motivated to move to these areas can, and free themselves from being under the legislative jurisdiction of law makers from the offending political party.

In other words, in a politically conservative pocket, abortion can be forever outlawed and never challenged politically.

And in a politically liberal pocket, abortion can be forever a choice and never challenged politically. And so forth with other laws.

And as these pockets became more popular and populated, we could allow for their expansion.

And that way conservative's could slowly gravitate to areas governed by conservative policies and liberals could slowly gravitate to areas governed by liberal policies.

So you could stay where you are if you are in a mixed political area but if things ever got too much for you, you would have these small political homogenous pockets as legal options to seek refuge in.

And over time, eventually we would get a more homogenous separation of the political groups where we could formally attain a physical separation of the United States.

So it wouldn't be this abrupt Earth-shattering split but a slow migration out of areas politically offensive into areas more politically agreeable.

And these areas would be allowed to expand and grow---avoiding mixed political areas--- as their populations grew.

So in summery:

1. Set aside small politically homogenous test areas that can't be shared by diametrically opposed political parties
2. Allow people to migrate to, build up and expand those areas without interfering in or overlapping mixed political areas like existing cities
3. Allow politically diametrically opposed individuals to separate themselves into politically homogenous areas over time
4. While this wouldn't solve political infighting within the same political group, it would allow access by individuals to the more agreeable government they prefer, rather than pitting an ultra-conservative against a liberal government or an ultra-liberal against a conservative government

Anyone have any objections to this?

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Old 07-27-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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No need to break up at all. All one would need is an Amendment stating that the government has no right to initiate force upon the individual. Then the "government" could not be used to impose one's will upon another through violence, aggression, or coercion. And the "left" and "right" would be out of business as both of their agendas rely entirely upon violence, aggression, and coercion upon the individual.

Then we could actually have a voluntary peaceful society. Instead of the barbaric authoritarianism that we now fight over having control of...

Live and let live.
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Old 07-27-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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No need to break up at all. All one would need is an Amendment stating that the government has no right to initiate force upon the individual. Then the "government" could not be used to impose one's will upon another through violence, aggression, or coercion. And the "left" and "right" would be out of business as both of their agendas rely entirely upon violence, aggression, and coercion upon the individual.

Then we could actually have a voluntary peaceful society. Instead of the barbaric authoritarianism that we now fight over having control of...

Live and let live.
It sounds like you are a Libertarian. That's fine. However, what about allowing people to choose the form of government they want (including no government)?
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Old 07-27-2016, 02:57 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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It sounds like you are a Libertarian. That's fine. However, what about allowing people to choose the form of government they want (including no government)?
That is fine. I am for any voluntary agreements made among free human beings. I am a PHILOSOPHICAL libertarian, so I have no problem with (intellectually pure) anarchism. But people will form voluntary agreements, whether you call them "governments" or not.

Live and let live
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:00 PM
 
Location: zooland 1
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Hmmm
Ok...
Conservative areas would have guns
Liberal areas would have movie awards

Conservative areas would grow food and make stuff
Liberal areas would want to take the conservative stuff for free and drink stsrbucks

Tell me how this is all going to work again.
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:01 PM
 
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You can have New Jersey.
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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Should have just let the Bible Belt secede when we had the chance.
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Hmmm
Ok...
Conservative areas would have guns
Liberal areas would have movie awards

Conservative areas would grow food and make stuff
Liberal areas would want to take the conservative stuff for free and drink stsrbucks

Tell me how this is all going to work again.
Reminds of the ants and the grasshopper.
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:06 PM
 
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No thank you.
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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How would this be at all compatible with democracy?
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