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Old 07-28-2016, 08:13 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It is not what we personally want, or think the 2nd, or any amendment to say. It is what is actually said... The text.

The 2nd Amendment does not say:

A well regulated Militia is forbidden and a threat to the Police State governments create to suppress the free state, The privilege of Citizens, 21 years or older, who are non-felons and mentally stable, to have a firearm the government allows, subject to change as the government fears the citizens.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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I'll have to look into the MA issue before I comment on that one.
Please do. Now MA already had a ban on what the media and politicians call "assault weapons", the manufacturers produced MA law compliant firearms and as of 7/21 those were now illegal. There was no lead up to the change of the "interpretation" of the law , no vote , nothing. Just a 48 hour heads up. So those that were law abiding firearms owners were turned into criminals in the span of 48 hours.
Also , the new verbiage encompassed those firearms that mimicked the ones on the ban list, form function, and looks. I did not see anything in the bill that went into how the firearm worked, gas impingement or piston. So then it pretty much means all semi auto long guns. Whether this was done on purpose or because she has zero knowledge of the firearms she is banning , I don't know.


This is how we will lose our rights, things like this. For the non informed, it looks like she did a great thing...banning those evil black weapons of destruction. For those that are informed we lose out on semi auto long guns. What will the next thing be ? Bolt action, then break ? Then long guns are gone. After that the attack on handguns. It will never be an all out ban, just a slow erosion , slow enough that those that don't really care just see it as "common sense" legislation , by the time they realize what it really is , it will be too late.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:17 AM
 
Location: NJ
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From watching the political landscape over the last few years, it seems to me that if you identify yourself as a Democrat then you pretty much have to be pro-gun control. The two appear to be inseparably linked. Sound reasonable?
Distinction, dems that control the party are pushing their academic theory that shows a direct linear relationship between fewer guns and less crime commited. Zero guns and society will be crime free. Most of the time dems not of the new party order, would vote with the repubs to oppose nosensical gun laws.


So dems push this agenda, willing to sacrifice lives today, to achieve a distant future theoretical goal of no guns. That perfectly explains the constant push for ineffective gun laws. Discourage gun owners and prospective gun owners with suffocating regulations and penalties while exempting the gangs and criminals. more than likely, all the hood rats and inner city folk, that support hillary carry and use illegal guns. they just love it that she is disarming potential victims.


If you like your guns you can keep your guns.PERIOD!


The DNC speakers railing against the NRA allowing people on the no fly list to have guns. A room bursting with legislators could easily figure out how to make the list effective, eliminate adding people who shouldn't be on it and make the removal of people names from the list quick and easy.


Just try to prove to the government you are not dead and see how long that takes.
Pay a traffic fine and have it get lost in data entry or programming and you get stopped, car impounded and you arrested. A minor inconvience for a bureaucratic circle jerk.


No, the dems want to keep things as they are to have a straw man argument, shouting the repubs want terrorists to purchase firearms and the NRA is responsible for the next act of terrorism...which is less dangerous than air conditioners and lightning.


How about tallying up the thousands of guns stolen fr0m lackadasical federal agencies, their armories, LEOs, TSA and gun stores. Enough for every criminal in all the inner cities.


Type 'guns stolen' and add a different state name to get a feel for the carelkessness which provides all the guns any hood rat or terrorist would want. then there was Fast and Furious and who knows what other secret gun running attempts the government has made.


Easy resolution in a positive direction, no takers. They prefer to further restrict private gun owners who follow the law.


Lest we forget staunch antigun activist CA senator Yee, who sold everything from SAMs to automatic weapons to anyone with cash.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:17 AM
 
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The situation can't be considered "well regulated' by that definition either. You just have to look at the news to see things are not working well.
Sorry, I asked you very specific questions but you keep dodging it and providing no specific answer.

1. Which common sense regulation(s) do you support?
2. What doesn't work well? What news?
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:17 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You just have to look at the news to see things are not working well.
So! That is what happens when only evil has a gun, as government has created by infringing on the second amendment and pushing for 150 years since the end of the civil war, that guns are BAD. Hmmm, imagine that. The 2nd Amendment is used for the first time to its fullest extent and immediately following they go after the guns, continuing to this day.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:19 AM
 
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Where did you get your numbers?
Informal poll of gangster thugs at county.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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From watching the political landscape over the last few years, it seems to me that if you identify yourself as a Democrat then you pretty much have to be pro-gun control. The two appear to be inseparably linked. Sound reasonable?


Not all Dems but the Party itself yes.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:35 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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The Constitution and specifically the 2nd Amendment has everything to do with it. The NRA are well regulated people. As in the RIGHT of the people. Not Citizens. Not Government. Not non-felons, not the mentally stable.... PEOPLE/PERSONS
Seriously? Another sweeping generalization.
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:36 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Informal poll of gangster thugs at county.
"Making **** up doesn't count as evidence."
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Old 07-28-2016, 08:38 AM
TKO
 
Location: On the Border
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Sorry, I asked you very specific questions but you keep dodging it and providing no specific answer.

1. Which common sense regulation(s) do you support?
2. What doesn't work well? What news?
What question? I don't see one below.

To answer these: 1. registration; 2. citizens owning guns en mass without the other sort of regulation.

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Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

"The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it."


Even we twist the meaning to mean "government control," the "well regulated" is on the militia not the people.

The constitution didn't say "the right of the people shall be well regulated," or "the right of the well-regulated people shall not be infringed."
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