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Old 07-28-2016, 09:33 AM
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Location: On the Border
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I'll ask again. What sense does gun registration make? How does it help anything in anyway?
If a person has an encounter with a leo, and they have an unregistered (in their own name) firearm then it's taken away from them. Law abiding citizens like ourselves would have no problem, criminal with a firearm wouldn't register. Not too different from the situation for a car.

Not a perfect solution, and perfection seems to be the only standard for right wing approved regulation. How convenient.

I don't hear anything from my fellow gun enthusiasts on the right except that we've already gone too far.

What do you propose?
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:37 AM
 
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If a person has an encounter with a leo, and they have an unregistered (in their own name) firearm then it's taken away from them. Law abiding citizens like ourselves would have no problem, criminal with a firearm wouldn't register. Not too different from the situation for a car.

Not a perfect solution, and perfection seems to be the only standard for right wing approved regulation. How convenient.

I don't hear anything from my fellow gun enthusiasts on the right except that we've already gone too far.

What do you propose?
Very simply, on top of the regular sentencing, add an additional mandatory 10-25 years sentence without parole for anybody and their accomplices who commit any felony with any arm.

This alone would cut gun crime to next to nothing without infringing upon anybody's rights.

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Old 07-28-2016, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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From watching the political landscape over the last few years, it seems to me that if you identify yourself as a Democrat then you pretty much have to be pro-gun control. The two appear to be inseparably linked. Sound reasonable?
I think it's more connected to where you live. Democrats who live in more rural areas where hunting was part of their upbringing are certainly going to be okay with guns. That may mean they are only for handguns and rifles being legal - - that's where I am.

NRA nuts like to paint the gun issue as it being you either want all guns legal or you want all guns illegal; you want complete restriction of guns or you want no restrictions on guns. I bet 90%+ of people have a more nuanced, sensible position on the issue. If only politicians tried to govern for that sensible 90%.
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:45 AM
 
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I think it's more connected to where you live. Democrats who live in more rural areas where hunting was part of their upbringing are certainly going to be okay with guns. That may mean they are only for handguns and rifles being legal - - that's where I am.

NRA nuts like to paint the gun issue as it being you either want all guns legal or you want all guns illegal; you want complete restriction of guns or you want no restrictions on guns. I bet 90%+ of people have a more nuanced, sensible position on the issue. If only politicians tried to govern for that sensible 90%.
Both handguns and rifles would include anything from automatic machine guns to single shot muskets.


Which ones are you against?
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:48 AM
 
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If a person has an encounter with a leo, and they have an unregistered (in their own name) firearm then it's taken away from them. Law abiding citizens like ourselves would have no problem, criminal with a firearm wouldn't register.
The reason that criminals wouldn't register is because they are forbidden by law to possess a firearm due to felony convictions. That's already law, so when they are caught with a firearm they are charged with illegally possessing a firearm. Why add a registration law that would only impact/affect/burden legal gun owners?
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:48 AM
 
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Both handguns and rifles would include anything from automatic machine guns to single shot muskets.


Which ones are you against?
Avoiding high capacity and/or quick repeat firing versions. Certainly if something is military-grade, it shouldn't be in the hands of common citizens.
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:50 AM
 
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Thanks for being the poster child for the NRA.
A distinct Honor I am more-than-proud to have bestowed upon me. I accept without reservation or regret, and will "for life".
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:51 AM
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On top of the regular sentencing, add an additional mandatory 10-25 years sentence without parole for anybody and their accomplices who commit any felony with any arm.

This alone would cut gun crime to next to nothing without infringing upon anybody's rights.
So for every gun related crime that takes place we lock up a bad guy and take his gun. I see this taking an awful long time before any kind of meaningful result could be achieved.

It is something, if it's new, and I don't disagree with it on principle.

However, don't we already laws like that? Or is it just harsher sentencing you're promoting?

You also have to consider the cost to us involved with locking people up. Easier, safer and cheaper (though risky in it's own right) to take away their guns before they've done something wrong if they're not willing to play by the rules and register.
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:51 AM
 
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Avoiding high capacity and/or quick repeat firing versions. Certainly if something is military-grade, it shouldn't be in the hands of common citizens.
Not certainly. That is exactly what the Founders intended so we could defend Liberty from all who would trespass.
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:54 AM
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Not certainly. That is exactly what the Founders intended so we could defend Liberty from all who would trespass.
To engage in hyperbole, do you think you should be able to own your own nuclear ICBM? Provided you could afford it of course.
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