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Old 08-05-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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The officer certainly has the right to fly that flag. That said, I also don't trust anyone to police a community fairly who might endorse such a cause. With me, my main concern is this. Yes, people are entitled to their opinion. I'm also concerned about what kind of persons we recruit into our police forces.
Key word. That's like saying a person shouldn't be allowed to own a knife because they might stab someone. Should a person not be allowed to freely interpret symbols because their interpretation might be dangerous?
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:46 AM
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Key word. That's like saying a person shouldn't be allowed to own a knife because they might stab someone. Should a person not be allowed to freely interpret symbols because their interpretation might be dangerous?
Wrong. Difference between tool and ideology. A knife can be used for anything. The Confederate flag represents an ideology and I've told you what that ideology is. It is common sense not to fly someone that represents said ideology. A person is not entitled to their own facts. Fact is fact, period. Some things are open to interpretation. This is not up to interpretation. We know what the cause is, period.

If the Confederate flag was really about southern heritage, then Blacks southerners would have adopted it too.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:51 AM
 
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Wrong. Difference between tool and ideology. A knife can be used for anything. The Confederate flag represents an ideology and I've told you what that ideology is. It is common sense not to fly someone that represents said ideology. A person is not entitled to their own facts. Fact is fact, period. Some things are open to interpretation. This is not up to interpretation. We know what the cause is, period.

If the Confederate flag was really about southern heritage, then Blacks southerners would have adopted it too.
I've told you - YOU don't define the ideology (if any) one assigns to a symbol. That's bigotry.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:52 AM
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I've told you - YOU don't define the ideology (if any) one assigns to a symbol. That's bigotry.
I don't define the ideology. Historical facts define it. That is what I am basing it on. I have facts to back up what I'm saying.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:58 AM
 
Location: the Sticks
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One can have ideology and not fly the confederate flag. While I think it is in poor taste for the officer to fly the flag, I respect the officers right to do so.
I know people who have confederate flags, and are big time civil war buffs. Is their ideology racist? Not that I can tell.
I know guys who fly the flag because they respect the Souths ability to stand up to a much more powerful North during the civil war.
Personally I wouldn't own the flag let alone fly one. The same goes for people flying the Mexican, Italian, swiss, German etc flags. WE are Americans in the the United States of America.
If the cop wants fly it, let her. He its called freedom of speech.
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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I don't define the ideology. Historical facts define it. That is what I am basing it on. I have facts to back up what I'm saying.
Historical facts define it for those they may have lived in the part of history where you derive your facts. They don't nessesarily define anything for someone living today.
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Wrong. Difference between tool and ideology. A knife can be used for anything. The Confederate flag represents an ideology and I've told you what that ideology is..
The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol representing a prayer to perfection, and coming from the Sanskrit word svasti (meaning good luck, fortune, well-being).

The Nazis took it and made it their symbol with an entirely different ideology attached to it.

We accept both ideologies attached to the symbol (granted, most westerners aren't aware of the Indian roots of it).

So symbols and their ideologies are NOT FIXED.

I always thought of the confederate flag as a symbol of rebellion. I had a Jewish friend who had one in his room for that very reason.
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:06 AM
 
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One can have ideology and not fly the confederate flag. While I think it is in poor taste for the officer to fly the flag, I respect the officers right to do so.
The issue is bigger than that as I have pointed out many times.

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I know people who have confederate flags, and are big time civil war buffs. Is their ideology racist? Not that I can tell.
I know guys who fly the flag because they respect the Souths ability to stand up to a much more powerful North during the civil war.
Personally I wouldn't own the flag let alone fly one. The same goes for people flying the Mexican, Italian, swiss, German etc flags. WE are Americans in the the United States of America.
If the cop wants fly it, let her. He its called freedom of speech.
The reason you would not fly it is why it is a bigger issue than just a freedom of speech issue. You are admitting that it can be a symbolism of racism. Is it always? Of course not, I've stated so.

In a court of law where someone might lose their Constitutional rights, the courts must rule for the benefit of the doubt to the defendant.
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:08 AM
 
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The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol representing a prayer to perfection, and coming from the Sanskrit word svasti (meaning good luck, fortune, well-being).

The Nazis took it and made it their symbol with an entirely different ideology attached to it.

We accept both ideologies attached to the symbol (granted, most westerners aren't aware of the Indian roots of it).

So symbols and their ideologies are NOT FIXED.

I always thought of the confederate flag as a symbol of rebellion. I had a Jewish friend who had one in his room for that very reason.
If a police officer had a Nazi flag flying outside of their house, it's unlikely they would be a police officer for long.
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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The issue is bigger than that as I have pointed out many times.



The reason you would not fly it is why it is a bigger issue than just a freedom of speech issue. You are admitting that it can be a symbolism of racism. Is it always? Of course not, I've stated so.

In a court of law where someone might lose their Constitutional rights, the courts must rule for the benefit of the doubt to the defendant.
Wow show me wear I ever claimed that.
To some it might be. To others not at all. I explained why the people I know who fly the flag do it. None of them because they feel whites are superior. I am sure many who fly it do, but certainly not all. The reason
I wouldn't fly the flag, is I refuse to fly another nations flag. It is that simple.
Many white supremacists claim to be christians, so is the cross a symbol of racism?
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