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Old 08-05-2016, 09:29 AM
 
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Mr. Green is not benefited at all through the Articles of the Secession. He stops short, so therefore, he does not give the whole story.

They're a good read. Through them one can learn just how it was that the south was railroaded by the northern states.

However, that doesn't even pertain to the situation(s) where a person can be terminated from their employment because of a symbol. It just gets crazier from here ...

~ Don't Tread on Me ~ will be next. I know the two flags, go hand in hand.
The South could have saved themselves by treating people as people. If the South never had slavery, it could have been as powerful as the North. The slave states had a major stake. That why why pro slavery types went to Kansas. They wanted to fight against the abolitionists. I say the South during this time got what it deserved. Now, would I wish any ill today? No. Everyone everywhere has the same rights. However, trying to downplay the role of maintaining slavery in the cause is stupid.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:30 AM
 
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While I understand and largely agree with you and I support your position I did post earlier where we used it in a school in the north and meant nothing at all negative about it.

There are exceptions BUT as I've pointed out many times the courts in this case must side with the defendant where there is any doubt. You can doubt my explanation of our use as the school on the South side of the system and that is all it is.

It takes on very different connotations where others civil rights are concerned. You (as in the big picture you) have no right to not be offended. A defendant does have a right to be treated fairly where the law is concerned and someone flying the flag can cause a doubt.

My two examples show where there are legitimate reasons where the law is concerned for that doubt.


(not really speaking to you directly, just adding overall)
The officer certainly has the right to fly that flag. That said, I also don't trust anyone to police a community fairly who might endorse such a cause. With me, my main concern is this. Yes, people are entitled to their opinion. I'm also concerned about what kind of persons we recruit into our police forces.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:31 AM
 
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He addressed that. By noting this, especially after he acknowledged and addressed it, you are defending his position.
I don't know what you just said, but ok.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:32 AM
 
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The South could have saved themselves by treating people as people. If the South never had slavery, it could have been as powerful as the North.
The north had slavery.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:33 AM
 
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The South could have saved themselves by treating people as people. If the South never had slavery, it could have been as powerful as the North. The slave states had a major stake. That why why pro slavery types went to Kansas. They wanted to fight against the abolitionists. I say the South during this time got what it deserved. Now, would I wish any ill today? No. Everyone everywhere has the same rights. However, trying to downplay the role of maintaining slavery in the cause is stupid.
There was slavery in the north too dude.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:33 AM
 
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I don't know what you just said, but ok.
I don't doubt that.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:35 AM
 
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The officer certainly has the right to fly that flag. That said, I also don't trust anyone to police a community fairly who might endorse such a cause . With me, my main concern is this. Yes, people are entitled to their opinion. I'm also concerned about what kind of persons we recruit into our police forces.
Which I have noted over and over that a court has to take this into consideration.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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I don't doubt that.
You don't doubt what?
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:37 AM
 
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He addressed that. By noting this, especially after he acknowledged and addressed it, you are defending his position.
And I have this to add. We all know a Black criminal when we see one. All we have to do is look at an individual's behavior and stay away from that person. I worry about Black on Black crime when I go to work. Why? Because I work in a rough part of town where that stuff is prevalent. How do I handle myself? Go to work and don't deal with the underclass people there. My office is safe. I live in an area where there are people flying Confederate flags. I'm only there because I live with my parents. When my time comes, I'm leaving that area. Over there, I'm not dealing with Black on Black crime. I'm dealing with the rednecks. I'm dealing with a different problem. Black criminals and rednecks, from my experiences, there isn't much difference between the two.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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Which I have noted over and over that a court has to take this into consideration.
The court does have to take that into account. Truth is, I have forgotten that part. Being in alot of fear, some things I forget. And especially after being accosted with racial slurs by some redneck types a few weeks ago, and stuff about race issues/police in the media, I'm on edge.
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