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Again, what major prominent religious figure in the sect of Christianity has advocated the killing of homosexuals or Jews? I am talking about the likes of the Pope, Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, etc? .
You notably exclude the calling for the assassination of a foreign leader.
And the remarks made by Falwell and Robertson about 9/11 were inexcuseable coming from alleged men of God, I don't care how many apologies they issued. If they truly held the core values they claim they never would've made those statements.
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the liberals of the 60's and early 70's ran out of saliva and dried up.
They used all their saliva spitting on us servicemen
Any other grossly unfair characterizations you'd care to make or will you stop with this one?
I know many people who opposed the war and not one ever spit on a serviceman, many of them were servicemen and a good number Vietnam vets. If you'd care to place someone like McNamara in front of me though I'll happily kick him square in the butt for his part in pursuing a war he's admitted knowing was wrong.
True, and if we're going to talk about atrocities, we should also talk about those committed by secularists - Stalin, Hitler, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Idi Amin etc.
Wrong. Idi Amin was a Muslim. Hitler was a Catholic. And those acts weren't committed in the name of atheism or secularism. They were in the name of their own stupidity. On the other hand, there have been atrocities in the name of religion. The Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, etc.
What do you mean by "on the right track" 30-40 years ago? Hippies being high all the time and bashing America? That's right take the extreme small % and make it the normSpitting on our troops Who spit on our troops? Hmm, come on tell us. If anyone spit on our troops it was those who enacted horrible foreign policies - same as now and treating them like absolute crap. LBJ and all his social programs that have allowed generations of people to be on welfare. Yet more wingnut propaganda. BILLIONS have been wasted for war profiteers, and corporate welfare, but you focus on this contrived issueLBJ ruining the US steel industry by helping the Japanese because we "owed them"? The GOP has been on a mission to destroy working class Americans for decades, if not longerHaving to pay for all these entitlements? Erroding the family and telling kids not to listen to authority? Seems like the right track to me Eroding the family? You mean by a corporate owned government (there's another word for that) whose only priority is $$$$ and crushing the lives of working Americans?
The US conservative? I wish the US were still conservative. We shift more left every day. Thanks to the wingnut policies of Reagan, Daddy Bush and currently President Fredo, we have your perfect conservative country - the reality though, is that it is a nightmare
As I said before, we seemed to be on the right track 30-40 years ago.............what happened?
What happened is that the liberals screwed up ... big time. Believe me, I wish they would quit doing screwing up but, unfortunately, they don't.
In their quest to help the "downtrodden" ... liberals have an uncanny ability to alienate people who can actually vote for them.
Classic example: Illegals. Why go out of your way to support a group that can't even vote for you? Insane ... yet, that's what liberals do. Same with convicted felons. California taxpayers are having to spend billions on convict healthcare because of liberals and, contrary to the idea that California is a liberal state, the public isn't happy about it.
The liberals also manage to alienate respected groups ... Berkeley asking the Marines to leave town is just the latest fiasco ...
So ... when election time rolls around ... liberals have no real crediblity with middle class people who actually DO vote. In fact, they totally alienate those voters. Meanwhile .... they THINK they'll get a lot of votes from hispanics because of the illegal issue for example but, the exact opposite happens. Besides, you don't get many votes from those groups anyway.
No matter how many elections they lose, they make the same mistakes, over and over again.
The Democrats talk a good game about helping the middle class but, when push comes to shove ... they're really just pushing another Head Start or other social welfare program that does little to nothing for middle class people who actually do vote.
Or, they align themselves with the unions which, in turn, are aligned with the illegals and then they say they're working for the middle class but, naturally, the real middle class voters who've lost their jobs to illegals don't believe it and who can blame them?
In the end ... there's a vaccuum ... and the Republicans fill it with ... "we'll cut your taxes" rhetoric. Even if it's not true ... at least they talk about doing something for middle class voters.
Add to that the guns, God and anti-gay rhetoric which gets the conservative voter base fired up ... and that's how they defeat the liberals every single time.
Wrong. Idi Amin was a Muslim. Hitler was a Catholic. And those acts weren't committed in the name of atheism or secularism. They were in the name of their own stupidity. On the other hand, there have been atrocities in the name of religion. The Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, etc.
The point was never that atrocities were committed in the name of secularism. People point out atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, which did happen - a long time ago. The point is that atrocities happen in the name of many things and by people that are not religious. To demean today's Christians by going back centuries to point out atrocities in the name of Christianity, while ignoring more recent atrocities that had nothing to do with Christianity, is a poor argument that has been allowed to go unchallenged.
Classic example: Illegals. Why go out of your way to support a group that can't even vote for you?
Liberals haven't. And who do you think wants the status quo?
Big business aka the GOP. Follow the money, as they say.
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California taxpayers are having to spend billions on convict healthcare because of liberals
Yes liberals are the reasons why prisoners "receive billions in healthcare"
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The Democrats talk a good game about helping the middle class but, when push comes to shove ... they're really just pushing another Head Start or other social welfare program that does little to nothing for middle class people who actually do vote.
Yes it totally that. Don't look at the war profiteers and corporate controlled White House and Congess. Nope, nothing to see there. It's all in Head Start.
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Or, they align themselves with the unions which, in turn, are aligned with the illegals
Yes unions love the competition of cheaper labor from illegals.
You nailed that one.
Liberals haven't. And who do you think wants the status quo?
Big business aka the GOP. Follow the money, as they say.
Yes liberals are the reasons why prisoners "receive billions in healthcare"
Yes it totally that. Don't look at the war profiteers and corporate controlled White House and Congess. Nope, nothing to see there. It's all in Head Start.
Yes unions love the competition of cheaper labor from illegals.
You nailed that one.
The $GOP$ hates that.
Look ... I actually agree with you on the many things. But the public doesn't. The point is that this is how liberals are perceived and WHY they lose elections. The proof is in the fact that they LOSE ... a lot.
Of course the GOP is guilty on the illegal issue but, liberals go out of their way to be publicly identified with illegals much more ... hence, they get the blame more than Republicans.
Liberals are the REASON convicts are getting billions more in healthcare. They are the only group who gets constitutionally mandated healthcare ... and liberals are largely responsible for that. If you don't believe me just pick up a newspaper.
Liberals are perceived as pushing programs like Head Start more than programs that actually help middle class families. Look at Hillary Clinton ... she was pushing $70 billion for the poor.
Great idea but, the fact of the matter is ... very few of those people actually vote. The 40 or 50 something guy who makes $60K a year does vote. Does that $70 billion benefit him? Probably not .... so that vote, more than likely, goes to the Republicans who talk about cutting his taxes.
SEIU ... one of the major labor unions ... DOES support illegals. Look it up ... Basically they're trying to increase their membership base by making these illegals "legal" and, in the process, also making them dues paying members which, of course, means more $$$$ for SEIU.
However, many of these people don't vote. And supporting illegals actually alienates the people who DO vote. If you notice, John Edwards ... the candidate who failed to get the nomination ... was supported by big labor ... namely SEIU.
These are just a few of the many reasons WHY liberals keep losing elections.
How in the world is it "ethnocentric" to believe the same things our Founding Fathers believed?
It's called American Exceptionalism—the notion that God did in fact raise up America for a special purpose in world history, and that each new generation of Americans should stand ready to answer that call.
Don't believe me? Go back and read thru some of the Founders' writings—not to mention those of their Puritan/Pilgrim and Anglican forebears, who laid the very cornerstone of our cultural identity. These works are replete with references to God (whom they believed in) and to America (sometimes poetically rendered "Columbia") as being uniquely blessed by Him.
Come to think of it, nobody in America had any serious problems with American Exceptionalism until the stupid, drug-addled, decadent decade of the 1960s-70s
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