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Old 07-28-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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Please refute anything the OP said and stop bringing off topic stuff.
Sure.

1) The nice things Hillary did were with other peoples money whom they then compare to Trumps personal donations. I guess that makes Bush's tax cuts super awesome huh?

Pretty dishonest.

2) Opposing off-shoring is completely different from being stupid enough not to take advantage of it as a business person. Not to mention, GE is the king of off-shoring AND on-shoring....and their CEO is Obama's council head.

Misleading\probably more dumb than intentional lying by the OP.

3) Bankruptcy in an acceptable business and person decision....many people took it during the housing collapse or after making mistakes at a young age with credit cards.

I guess it's easy to avoid them if you just live off public money your whole life and never own a business or work at a normal job.

Hope I helped.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:11 PM
 
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Sure.

1) The nice things Hillary did were with other peoples money whom they then compare to Trumps personal donations. I guess that makes Bush's tax cuts super awesome huh?

Pretty dishonest.

2) Opposing off-shoring is completely different from being stupid enough not to take advantage of it as a business person. Not to mention, GE is the king of off-shoring AND on-shoring....and their CEO is Obama's council head.

Misleading\probably more dumb than intentional lying by the OP.

3) Bankruptcy in an acceptable business and person decision....many people took it during the housing collapse or after making mistakes at a young age with credit cards.

I guess it's easy to avoid them if you just live off public money your whole life and never own a business or work at a normal job.

Hope I helped.
after i read this, i felt like someone opened my window and some fresh air blew in. thank you.

great points about the bankruptcy stuff, its legal what trump did, he just followed the law, the law permitted him to do it, so he did it, at the time, i guess for him, it was the proper business decision....its something we all would have done if it made sense at the time, people act like they're above filing bankruptcy and because trump did it he's a bad guy or a bad businessman or somehow dishonest.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:13 PM
 
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Any presidential candidate that didn't take advantage of US laws, tax codes etc. is to me....unelectable.

The job they are going to take is exactly that...there are almost no rules on the international stage other than open negotiation and wheeling and dealing. There is no higher power like the FBI to swoop in when you get caught oh listening in on Germany's Chancellors cell phone like the Obama admin did.

One of the reasons Carter sucked (too nice) and Clinton and Reagan succeeded....they knew how to wheel and deal.

Not saying Hillary doesn't do this either, she's a crafty dodger...but to make it sound like trump is bad for these things? LOL....that's utterly ridiculous.

We need a president that you don't want to play poker against. Not a president that you'd buy a used car from.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:15 PM
 
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Any presidential candidate that didn't take advantage of US laws, tax codes etc. is to me....unelectable.

The job they are going to take is exactly that...there are almost no rules on the international stage other than open negotiation and wheeling and dealing. There is no higher power like the FBI to swoop in when you get caught oh listening in on Germany's Chancellors cell phone like the Obama admin did.

One of the reasons Carter sucked (too nice) and Clinton and Reagan succeeded....they knew how to wheel and deal.

Not saying Hillary doesn't do this either, she's a crafty dodger...but to make it sound like trump is bad for these things? LOL....that's utterly ridiculous.

We need a president that you don't want to play poker against. Not a president that you'd buy a used car from.
another great point, you want trump to cut every legal corner and fill every loophole because when you elect him, you want him working the stuffing out of all the loopholes he could to make america safer and or richer again.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:17 PM
 
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Trump's as opportunistic as they come, and he's probably had as many business failures as successes, he's just really good at pointing out the latter and turning a blind eye to the former. I don't think he has anyone's interests except his own at heart.
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Trump's as opportunistic as they come, and he's probably had as many business failures as successes, he's just really good at pointing out the latter and turning a blind eye to the former. I don't think he has anyone's interests except his own at heart.
You don't get to have that much money and have as many failures as successes.

Tell me how many dollars Hillary has made 'working' for a living? Our 'professional' politicians are only great at spending our money and not theirs!
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:27 PM
 
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Trump's as opportunistic as they come, and he's probably had as many business failures as successes, he's just really good at pointing out the latter and turning a blind eye to the former. I don't think he has anyone's interests except his own at heart.
He had his own interests at heart when he was running his business just like all of us would have, he owed it to himself, his family and his investors and his business partners and people he did business with to give it 100 pct and try and get all he can get.

Now, he's running for president and is issuing promises that he's going to be your voice. Was he your voice when he was running his business? No, but that's a different thing, any smart businessman is going to fight for himself, who wouldn't?
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:33 PM
 
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Trump's as opportunistic as they come, and he's probably had as many business failures as successes, he's just really good at pointing out the latter and turning a blind eye to the former. I don't think he has anyone's interests except his own at heart.
As a business owner you should be opportunistic.

Your *guess* as to failures and successes is just weird....

Lastly, his net worth has exploded relative to his starting point yet you are insinuating he hasn't been successful at business.

Truly bizarre.

It these types of comments that are actually pushing independents toward Trump FYI.

P.S. I'm not even voting for the guy! LOL. I mean seriously, THAT is the democratic message I keep hearing? "You guys are stupid for liking trump" "you guys know we are just better".....wow....um....no wonder he passed Hillary.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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As SoS, she was asked by lobbyists and union leaders to look into the Columbian government's abuse of oil workers on strike, and some were being threatened by gunpoint by their military. But the oil company gave millions to the Clinton Foundation, so all she did was praise the Columbian government for their Human Rights reform. The founder of the oil company was then named as a member of the board of the Clinton Foundation.

She accomplished nothing of note as SoS, but did manage to have American soldiers killed.

She and her husband attacked the women he slept with, taking no responsibility for his behavior.

Uranium anyone? No? We'll sell it to Russia. (oh, wait, doesn't that make a bigger connection between Clinton and Putin than Trump and Putin?)

She conveniently lost her billing records when she was being investigated, just as she conveniently deleted emails when she was being investigated.

Her campaign, like the Clinton Foundation, is funded by people who flew planes into our buildings and are funding terrorists.

She's lied to the public more times than anyone can remember.

She's either lied under oath to Congress or to the FBI, so she's perjured herself.

Her tactics to smear fellow candidates are beyond vicious and vile.

And her successful career all began when she was a House Judiciary Staffer helping to investigate Richard Nixon and Watergate. Even at that young age, 40 plus years ago, she was fired for being dishonest and unethical.


Scandal for scandal, Clinton has Trump beat by far.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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Kaine is right on this: if you want to know what values are likely to guide a person in the White House, look at what they were doing and saying long before they entered the campaign.

What was Trump doing?

Profiting off of the EXACT same things he now suddenly decries as against American values: cheap overseas manufacturing and hiring foreign workers.

Ripping off contractors and customers whenever it suited him - small businesses who did work at his casinos and got stiffed when he exploited Chapter 11, customers who put down money on his condos that never got built, and customers who put down money for his misleading and fraudulent "Trump University."

Stiffing charities he said he'd support in magnanimous claims of philanthropy.

Exploiting God knows what other loopholes that he clearly doesn't want us to know, which is why he's hiding his tax returns (unlike every other Presidential candidate in modern history).

In other words: looking out just for himself and screwing others around him. And now you guys believe he's going to suddenly become this great champion of the little guy? What kind of crack are you on? His track record says NOTHING to support it.


I don't like Hillary all that much, and she has plenty of skeletons in her closet, but at least she has SOMETHING to show... she did push for SCHIP, and it did provide critical health coverage to kids in poor families. She did at least stand up after 9-11 and push for real benefits for the first responders. Yes, she probably lied about her incompetent mismanagement of her emails. I think her Foundation has skirted laws and been shady at times. She has her share of shadiness.

But as far as standing up for anyone and championing ANY cause outside of his own self-enrichment and aggrandizement, Trump has NOTHING to show.

That's why I don't believe him now.
None are so blind as those who will not see.
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