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Old 07-29-2016, 08:19 AM
 
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Once again, who said anything about solving problems?

So then why ? Please do tell.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:24 AM
 
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More gun laws written by people who don't know anything about guns.

Its not a law. Its Caesar's edict. Laws go thorough the Legislature. And all this does is , as usual, protect big business.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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Because the great messiah cannot lead his way out of a paper bag he has to do cheap publicity stunts like this. Must be too much work for his incompetent, lazy brain to actually do his job and get a law passed.

What a worthless turd.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016...ve-gun-control

http://pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/A...0(Publish).pdf

"The upshot is that DDTC is labeling commercial gunsmiths as “manufacturers” for performing relatively simple work such as threading a barrel or fabricating a small custom part for an older firearm. Under the AECA, “manufactures” are required to register with DDTC at significant expense or risk onerous criminal penalties. "

"These requirements apply, even if the business does not, and does not intend to, export any defense article. Moreover, under ITAR, “only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article” is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered “engaged in the business” and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements."

For example, DDTC generally labels procedures that involve cutting, drilling, or machining of an existing firearm in order to improve its accuracy or operation or to change its caliber as “manufacturing,” even if they do not create a new and distinct firearm. This includes threading a muzzle for a muzzle brake or blueprinting that requires machining of a barrel.

On the other hand, DDTC contends that gunsmithing includes only very simple procedures, such as the one-for-one drop-in replacement of parts that do not require cutting, drilling, or machining for installation. But even then, if the parts “improve the accuracy, caliber, or other aspects of firearm operation,” “manufacturing” may occur. Finishing treatments for firearms generally are not considered manufacturing under the guidance, nor are cosmetic flourishes such as engraving. Meanwhile the mounting of a scope that involves the machining of new dovetails or the drilling and tapping of holes may or not be “manufacturing,” depending on whether the scope improves the accuracy of the firearm beyond its prior configuration. "

so basically if you mount a scope, you're altering the gun and making it more accurate, so you're now breaking the law unless you pay a ridiculous amount of money ($2,250 per year) to be certified as a manufacturer.

or maybe not, it's ambiguous at best!
The document, itself,(Second link) denies the claims made in the article written by the NRA-ILA (First link)
I recommend reading the document for yourself, and ignoring the alarmist poppycock from the NRA folks.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:32 AM
 
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Just a glimpse of what kind of stuff we could expect with a HRC presidency.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:32 AM
 
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The document, itself,(Second link) denies the claims made in the article written by the NRA-ILA (First link)
I recommend reading the document for yourself, and ignoring the alarmist poppycock from the NRA folks.
Is that right? perhaps you'd like to point out the inaccuracies. I read it.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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Its not alarmist, its goal is to make owning and working on guns more expensive. It will put some smaller GS out of business. It will make for higher prices and longer waits. Its BS totally and has nothing as a real world goal other than this. Does this also apply to an owner doing the work himself?
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:54 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Im not a gunsmith per se....but I like to build my own guns. 1911s mostly, but I've put a few ARs together too. Am I a manufacturer? And, just mounting a scope could be illegal now? Hmm, tightening the clamps on a P rail could give the cops a reason to cuff n stuff you now. Yepper, got a few LEOs getting all excited. Of course they can build or modify their firearms, and now they can just confiscate what they want from citizens.

What a blatantly dictatorial move. Obama is our Idi Amin. It will be interesting , though, to see how the feds will enforce this.Kinda spooky to think about.....
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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Im not a gunsmith per se....but I like to build my own guns. 1911s mostly, but I've put a few ARs together too. Am I a manufacturer? And, just mounting a scope could be illegal now? Hmm, tightening the clamps on a P rail could give the cops a reason to cuff n stuff you now. Yepper, got a few LEOs getting all excited. Of course they can build or modify their firearms, and now they can just confiscate what they want from citizens.

What a blatantly dictatorial move. Obama is our Idi Amin. It will be interesting , though, to see how the feds will enforce this.Kinda spooky to think about.....
Post #10 seems to be in agreement......most likely many just like her. No understanding of were this can lead, but they follow blindly!
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:32 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Post #10 seems to be in agreement......most likely many just like her. No understanding of were this can lead, but they follow blindly!
Indeed, this is what they call "common sense". Yea..sure.
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