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Simpson doesn't realize the requirements didn't start until 2016. He sounds as informed as the average NC republican.
Native doesn't understand all the other aspects of the law were in effect, which you and others have been labeling racist and designed to suppress black turnout as well. Yet black turnout was not suppressed, it increased. Also should mention that they wanted people to have a photo ID but were not sticklers about it, so there were probably some people who didn't show up because they had heard you needed a photo ID.
you have also not specifically detailed how obtaining a photo ID is difficult thing to accomplish for anybody. you say you are informed but at the same time you contend getting a ID is a major obstacle for black voters? is that true? How were they able to register to vote , and get to the voting place, but they could not get a photo ID? This observation is why it looks like this is about enabling voter fraud.
Do you believe that no voter fraud exists?
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ok, i'm still trying to figure how out requiring people to register to vote is not racist, but requring them to to have one form of ID out out of several options is racist. if people are able to register to vote, they should be able to also obtain an ID. i think most people register to vote at the DMV.
and why don't we hear about the racist nature of requiring IDs in all the other scenarios outside of voting.
You're trying to change it, because you were wrong.
The GOP did away with early voting on the Sunday that was used by black churches to rent a bus & take folks without transportation to vote. However, you don't think that that's racist.
They did not put an ID requirement on absentee ballots, in spite of it being a prime source of voter fraud, though difficult to prove, if only one person sees it. I remember a nurse telling of seeing a family member fill out & pocket an absentee ballot at the bedside of a comatose patient. She couldn't report it without a 2nd witness to back her up. That's not the only tale of absentee voter fraud that I've ever heard about. Absentee ballots weren't included because the players are more likely to be white & Republican.
they still have 1 Sunday in early voting. many states don't have sunday vote or any weekend votes. there are states that don't have early voting. these include states outside of the south, so that nukes the 'NC has a racist history' argument the judges tried.
there is nothing in the Constitution that allows for early voting, it is only talks about an Election Day. they have 10 days to vote in NC, pror to Eleciton Day. hard to say that is racist and trying to prevent black people from voting. it is total race baiting to make that argument. they cut down the number of days because it costs money, plus early voting doesn't increase turnout, there have been studies that indicate turnout decreases. so states have been spending more and getting less turnout with early voting. As I pointed in my prvious posts, NC black turnout increased significantly in 2014 despite the shorter early day voting period.
as far as absentee ballots go, i don't think that you are have proved any of that 'favors white people. I will look into though.
i can flip your argument on its head though, you support no photo id at the polls to vote because you think that helps more black people vote. It isn't that racist? You want laws based on racial statistics to favor a certain group of people. I don't argue that we need photo ID because more whites have IDs. I argue it is the only way to prevent voter fraud. This isn't a racist argument. And preventing voter fraud includes white people or Republcans that might try to commit voter fraud.
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It probably is over.
The law was never about voter fraud, anyway. It actually served a more useful purpose - it prevented Democrats from loading up a van full of uninformed know-nothings and carting them off to a polling place where they registered and voted for Democrats.
American started to seriously unravel when the voting age was changed to 18. That gave political parties an easily manipulated audience, and the Dems have exploited it ever since.
You sound like a source of ill-informed information. The voting age was dropped to 18, the same age that boys were being drafted & sent to 'Nam. Did you think that they picked 18 out of thin air?
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Native doesn't understand all the other aspects of the law were in effect, which you and others have been labeling racist and designed to suppress black turnout as well. Yet black turnout was not suppressed, it increased. Also should mention that they wanted people to have a photo ID but were not sticklers about it, so there were probably some people who didn't show up because they had heard you needed a photo ID.
you have also not specifically detailed how obtaining a photo ID is difficult thing to accomplish for anybody. you say you are informed but at the same time you contend getting a ID is a major obstacle for black voters? is that true? How were they able to register to vote , and get to the voting place, but they could not get a photo ID? This observation is why it looks like this is about enabling voter fraud.
Do you believe that no voter fraud exists?
I was not asked for ID at all until the primary this year. Not once. Where did you get that from?
Voter-suppression legislation is being shot down by the courts across the country -- not just in NC, but also in Wisconsin, Kansas, and Texas. Republicans are being a bit too obvious about their goals.
“The evidence in this case casts doubt on the notion that voter ID laws foster integrity and confidence,” Peterson wrote. “The Wisconsin experience demonstrates that a preoccupation with mostly phantom election fraud leads to real incidents of disenfranchisement, which undermine rather than enhance confidence in elections, particularly in minority communities. To put it bluntly, Wisconsin’s strict version of voter ID law is a cure worse than the disease.” The state will appeal both rulings.
I was not asked for ID at all until the primary this year. Not once. Where did you get that from?
i read it was a soft rollout. that they wanted an ID but would let you vote anyway and remind you to bring your ID at elections in the future.
regardless, you have asserted the other aspects of the law were black voter suppression but black turnout was significantly higher than 2010, and it was like twice as high as white turnout, after the law went into effect.
You're trying to change it, because you were wrong.
The GOP did away with early voting on the Sunday that was used by black churches to rent a bus & take folks without transportation to vote. However, you don't think that that's racist.
They did not put an ID requirement on absentee ballots, in spite of it being a prime source of voter fraud, though difficult to prove, if only one person sees it. I remember a nurse telling of seeing a family member fill out & pocket an absentee ballot at the bedside of a comatose patient. She couldn't report it without a 2nd witness to back her up. That's not the only tale of absentee voter fraud that I've ever heard about. Absentee ballots weren't included because the players are more likely to be white & Republican.
sb - A good point about the lack of security for absentee ballots which are probably the biggest source of voter fraud. If any portion of the idiotic NC voter id law should remain legal, perhaps more stringent requirements for an absentee ballot be implemented, like "fingerprint verification" or a "valid birth certificate" be presented at a local police station before an absentee ballot can be handed out or mailed! Also, for all of those states who voted for a 24 hour waiting period for abortions and having an ultrasound done, perhaps they could impliment similar health procedures for men, so that if you want a prescription for Cialis or Viagra, you get a digital-rectal prostate exam and a film about penile cancer treatment before it can be issued.
Voter-suppression legislation is being shot down by the courts across the country -- not just in NC, but also in Wisconsin, Kansas, and Texas. Republicans are being a bit too obvious about their goals.
“The evidence in this case casts doubt on the notion that voter ID laws foster integrity and confidence,” Peterson wrote. “The Wisconsin experience demonstrates that a preoccupation with mostly phantom election fraud leads to real incidents of disenfranchisement, which undermine rather than enhance confidence in elections, particularly in minority communities. To put it bluntly, Wisconsin’s strict version of voter ID law is a cure worse than the disease.” The state will appeal both rulings.
when they deny voter fraud exists, they lose the argument.
voter fraud can disenfranchise voters if it helps swing a close election.
Almost no one shows up at the polls pretending to be someone else in an effort to throw an election. Almost no one acts as a poll worker on Election Day to try to cast illegal votes for a candidate. And almost no general election race in recent history has been close enough to have been thrown by the largest example of in-person voter fraud on record.
That said, there have been examples of fraud, including fraud perpetrated through the use of absentee ballots severe enough to force new elections at the state level. But the slew of new laws passed over the past few years meant to address voter fraud have overwhelmingly focused on the virtually non-existent/unproven type of voter fraud, and not the still-not-common-but-not-non-existent abuse of absentee voting.
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"The thing about voter fraud isn't that it doesn't exist," Levitt told The Post on Monday. "It does exist, and all responsible observers both know and say that. The question is whether the proposed policy solution (invariably tighter ID requirements at the polls) is tailored to the problem that actually exists, and at the same time not sufficiently severe that it creates more trouble than it solves."
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