Court strikes down North Carolina voter ID law (ethical, poll, racist)

[nita0312]

For those of you who magically believe that there was no political strategy to disenfranchise Democratic African American voters behind these laws.....guess again. It's a political grab and always has been.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...elps-them-win/

Assisting Democrats in this argument that it's all a partisan power grab? A handful of unhelpful Republicans who have suggested in recent years that voter ID does indeed help the GOP — perhaps so much that it would put them over the top in blue-leaning swing states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

Freshman Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-Wis.) became the latest to stumble into this territory this week, including voter ID as part of his case for why Republicans could win Wisconsin in the general election for the first time since 1984.

"I think Hillary Clinton is about the weakest candidate the Democrats have ever put up," Grothman said, before volunteering the following: "And now we have photo ID, and I think photo ID is going to make a little bit of a difference as well."

It wasn't the first time, though, that Grothman has suggested as much. Back in 2012, when he was a state senator, he also predicted voter ID could have helped Mitt Romney win his state. Asked if it could make the difference in a close race, Grothman agreed that it could.

"Yes, right," he said, according to clip posted by the liberal ThinkProgress. "I think we believe that, insofar as there are inappropriate things, people who vote inappropriately are more likely to vote Democrat."

Perhaps the most well-publicized example of this belongs to then-Pennsylvania state House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R), who said even more clearly in a 2012 speech that voter ID would help Romney carry his state.

"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: done," Turzai said while listing his legislature's accomplishments.

It didn't help when, after the 2012 election, Pennsylvania GOP Chairman Robert Gleason agreed with the statement that the attention drawn to voter ID probably helped Republicans. (Voter ID hadn't actually been implemented yet, but we'll get to that.)

"Yeah, I think a little bit," Gleason said. "We probably had a better election. Think about this: We cut Obama by 5 percent, which was big. A lot of people lost sight of that. He beat McCain by 10 percent; he only beat Romney by 5 percent. And I think that probably photo ID helped a bit in that."

And then there's that infamous 2013 "Daily Show" interview of a local North Carolina GOP precinct chairman who said he was okay with it if voter ID prevented "lazy blacks" from voting.

"The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt," Don Yelton added. He was later asked to resign over his racist comments.

[ClemVegas]

how do you prevent voter fraud without photo ID?

could we not argue people who oppose photo ID want to make it easier for their party to win with the understanding voter fraud is going to occur?

Some racists who supporter vote id is not an argument against voter id because a majority of non-racists support voter id. thus, the argument for voter id is not a racist one.

how can a person be able to figure out where and how to cast a ballot, which requires some effort including finding a way to get to the voting location, but unable to obtain a photo id. that is logically inconsistent. getting the photo id is probably the easier of the two tasks.

[Hollywood]

I can see both sides on this issue.

However, if the hurdle is that getting an NC ID costs money (not driver's license, but just the NC ID card...my grandmother had to have one to fly, and she never once had a driver's license in her life), then why not make them free, or maybe get the $$ back on your NC tax return next April if your income is below a certain amount? I can't imagine the state issues very many NC ID cards each year as opposed to driver's licenses.

[ClemVegas]

Democrats obviously trust that there is little Republican voter fraud and the voter fraud that occurs helps Democrats win.

otherwise they would support voter id.

[MrBojangles]

Originally Posted by Simpsonvilllian

you had to have an ID to get into the Democrat convention this week. you have to have an photo id to do a lot of thing in this country.

these judges did not prove racist intent. they just assumed it based on their own partisan politics. their ruling is a baseless smear.

if you think that black people are not capable of obtaining a photo id, don't you look down on black people? it is not hard to get a photo id. you have to get a license to drive so most people already have a photo id.

how do you prevent voter fraud without photo id.

the judge distorts history of the south. the Jim Crow laws, racist policies in the past were supported by the Democrat party, not the Republican party.

Originally Posted by illtaketwoplease

judges were all democratic appointees. figures. dems are evil - period. wake up people.

Originally Posted by Simpsonvilllian

you are either for photo ID to vote, or you support or don't care about voter fraud. You can't have it both ways.

if a person is able to figure out where to vote and cast a ballot, he or she can figure out how to get a photo id. it is amazing what low expectations a political party has for people while simultaneously falsely accusing the other party (plus many Democrats) of racism. this is treating people like they are braindead zombies or children or senile invalids.

even if there was just 1 case of voter fraud, that justifies having photo id.

Originally Posted by Simpsonvilllian

how do you prevent voter fraud without photo ID?

could we not argue people who oppose photo ID want to make it easier for their party to win with the understanding voter fraud is going to occur?

Some racists who supporter vote id is not an argument against voter id because a majority of non-racists support voter id. thus, the argument for voter id is not a racist one.

how can a person be able to figure out where and how to cast a ballot, which requires some effort including finding a way to get to the voting location, but unable to obtain a photo id. that is logically inconsistent. getting the photo id is probably the easier of the two tasks.

From the Opinion:

"After years of preclearance and expansion of voting access,
by 2013 African American registration and turnout rates had
finally reached near-parity with white registration and turnout
rates. African Americans were poised to act as a major
electoral force. But, on the day after the Supreme Court issued
Shelby County v. Holder, 133 S. Ct. 2612 (2013), eliminating
preclearance obligations, a leader of the party that newly
dominated the legislature (and the party that rarely enjoyed
African American support) announced an intention to enact what
he characterized as an “omnibus” election law. Before enacting
that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of
a number of voting practices. Upon receipt of the race data,
the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting
and registration in five different ways, all of which
disproportionately affected African Americans.

In response to claims that intentional racial
discrimination animated its action, the State offered only
meager justifications. Although the new provisions target
African Americans with almost surgical precision, they
constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying
them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist.
Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the
State’s true motivation. “In essence,” as in League of United
Latin American Citizens v. Perry (LULAC), 548 U.S. 399, 440
(2006), “the State took away [minority voters’] opportunity
because [they] were about to exercise it.” As in LULAC, “[t]his
bears the mark of intentional discrimination.” Id.
Faced with this record, we can only conclude that the North
Carolina General Assembly enacted the challenged provisions of
the law with discriminatory intent."
____

Please explain that. And Judge Floyd was appointed by George W. Bush to the US District Court for the District of South Carolina, before Obama appointed him to the Court of Appeals.

[take57]

For those of you keeping score at home... Middle of the third inning, no runs, no hits, two errors

United States of America - 2
Pat McCrory & The General Assembly All-Stars - 0

Be right back after this word from Bright Leaf hot dogs

[ClemVegas]

Originally Posted by MrBojangles

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Please explain that. And Judge Floyd was appointed by George W. Bush to the US District Court for the District of South Carolina, before Obama appointed him to the Court of Appeals.

that is a vague decision.

the decision does not specify how requiring voter id is racist. to believe requiring voter id is racist, you must believe black people are not smart enough to figure how to do it, or they are incredibly lazy. i think that is what is racist, it like treating black people like they are brain dead or children.

even if african american turnout has increased, that doesn't justify no photo id, because photo id is the only way voter fraud can be prevented.

as I pointed out earlier, DNC required photo ID to attend their convention this week.

[MrBojangles]

And... A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

[MrBojangles]

Originally Posted by Simpsonvilllian

that is a vague decision.

the decision does not specify how requiring voter id is racist.

Oh my god, if you can't comprehend that simple opinion, then you need something that I can't give ya.

[ClemVegas]

so you are ok with 31 cases of voter fraud.

you just proved my case. you have tolerance for voter fraud.

there should be 0 cases of voter fraud. if voter fraud occurs in an election, then that election is not valid.

note that nobody complains about photo id requirement for white people or Asians. it is always portrayed as a challenged for black people and i assume hispanics.

how do you stop voter fraud without photo id? it can't be done.