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I understand that some people think it's hyperbole but there are just so many signs, every day you can pull out an article like this that are indicative of climate change. The changes are slow but certainly dramatic over the last few decades, those who don't believe the science can certainly see the changes through first hand observations.
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PORT REPUBLIC, N.J. - (AP) -- They're called "ghost forests" -- dead trees along vast swaths of coastline invaded by rising seas, something scientists call one of the most visible markers of climate change.
The process has happened naturally for thousands of years, but it has accelerated in recent decades as polar ice melts and raises sea levels, scientists say, pushing salt water farther inland and killing trees in what used to be thriving freshwater plains.
Efforts are underway worldwide to determine exactly how quickly the creation of ghost forests is increasing. But scientists agree the startling sight of dead trees in once-healthy areas is an easy-to-grasp example of the consequences of climate change.
What axe do you think people like myself who accept climate science have to grind? Please be specific.
Many, but not AGW believers have always wanted planning and control rather than free markets. The ozone scare and air bags are other examples.
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It was a super flop in my area as we got no more rain than on any normal winter. Nothing compared to the one back in 1997-98 nate.
Interestingly 2016-7, a La Niña winter was far wetter. Some have suggested that the atmosphere responds with a lag. I happen to believe that. Also remember 1997-8 was during a long-term warm phase with El Niño predominating. Prior to that winter 1988 was a strong La Niña period and 1995-6 was a weak La Niña. There were a few moderate to strong El Niños during the prior two decades, such as 1982-3, 1986-8, 1991-3, 1994-5. So the 1997-8 episode registered faster and stronger. By contrast in recent years 2006-7 and 2009-10 were very brief El Niños, the latter being focused so far west as not to make much of a difference. We were in Niña territory from about April 2010 to mid-2014, so the 2015-6 didn't register right away. Granted some of that Niña period was borderline but still it went a very long time.
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I understand that some people think it's hyperbole but there are just so many signs, every day you can pull out an article like this that are indicative of climate change. The changes are slow but certainly dramatic over the last few decades, those who don't believe the science can certainly see the changes through first hand observations.
I'd have to know more but sea levels have in fact not increased dramatically. Were those trees in the path of Sandy and it's uber-tides?
One of the difficulties is comprehending how these small changes over time impact the environment. A 200 mm average sea rise over a hundred years is destructive, some will say it's only a rise of 7 inches and view that as insignificant.
Sandy had more of an impact because of the loss of wetlands and tidal marshes, partly because of development but also because of sea rise.
One of the difficulties is comprehending how these small changes over time impact the environment. A 200 mm average sea rise over a hundred years is destructive, some will say it's only a rise of 7 inches and view that as insignificant.
Sandy had more of an impact because of the loss of wetlands and tidal marshes, partly because of development but also because of sea rise.
Then multi-trillion dollar question is whether "hairshirt" policies would prevent any of this. Or just make politicians feel as if they're "doing something."
Many, but not AGW believers have always wanted planning and control rather than free markets. The ozone scare and air bags are other examples.
Interestingly 2016-7, a La Niña winter was far wetter. Some have suggested that the atmosphere responds with a lag. I happen to believe that. Also remember 1997-8 was during a long-term warm phase with El Niño predominating. Prior to that winter 1988 was a strong La Niña period and 1995-6 was a weak La Niña. There were a few moderate to strong El Niños during the prior two decades, such as 1982-3, 1986-8, 1991-3, 1994-5. So the 1997-8 episode registered faster and stronger. By contrast in recent years 2006-7 and 2009-10 were very brief El Niños, the latter being focused so far west as not to make much of a difference. We were in Niña territory from about April 2010 to mid-2014, so the 2015-6 didn't register right away. Granted some of that Niña period was borderline but still it went a very long time.
I'd have to know more but sea levels have in fact not increased dramatically. Were those trees in the path of Sandy and it's uber-tides?
The fall ,winter and spring of 2016-17 was the worst ever in my local area. I saw just over 2" of rain from Oct to May. We are seeing less and less rain and much warmer winters in my area in FL the last 30 years. Just the last 6 winters have warmed up so much. We have past the tipping point.
The fall ,winter and spring of 2016-17 was the worst ever in my local area. I saw just over 2" of rain from Oct to May. We are seeing less and less rain and much warmer winters in my area in FL the last 30 years. Just the last 6 winters have warmed up so much. We have past the tipping point.
Sadly, I agree about the tipping point. One trip to Alaska will remove all doubt.
The highest recorded temperature is approx. 134F.
IF THAT RECORD WAS BEING BROKEN EACH YEAR, THEN WORRY.
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Until that happens, all that you can really measure are the "spot checks" of a massive system seeking equilibrium between the extremes of hot and cold.
In short, nothing to get alarmed about.
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The highest recorded temperature is approx. 134F.
IF THAT RECORD WAS BEING BROKEN EACH YEAR, THEN WORRY.
. . .
Until that happens, all that you can really measure are the "spot checks" of a massive system seeking equilibrium between the extremes of hot and cold.
In short, nothing to get alarmed about.
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I'm not gonna lose any sleep. But you people living past the next 30 years will get a wake up call.
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