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Old 08-08-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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Where did I say "Muslim Americans have been less law abiding than non Muslim Americans?"

Or are you denying that there have been "honor killings" committed in America?
Do you read what you post? I think your second question answers your first question. How many white males murder their spouses in the US? So does that mean white married men are less law abiding than white non married men?

If you are looking for an absolute, that doesn't exist because crime happens, but you can't then blame that small amount of crime on every innocent person out there.


Since you seem to be an expert on "honor killings," how many "honor killings" happened in 2015 or 2014? I imagine this data should be easy for you to show.

 
Old 08-08-2016, 06:21 PM
 
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Did I say there was?
Then you have no beef and are simply rambling aimlessly.
 
Old 08-08-2016, 06:23 PM
 
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How naive. If they believe their law is above US law [and they do], we have a problem. We can't just shrug it off as you have done with "So what?
What is so hard about "I do NOT care what they believe"?

They can believe any old thing they want to.

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Oh please. George Bush didn't think he was above our laws!

I'm beginning to think you live in a cave.
As I figured.
 
Old 08-08-2016, 08:48 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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“Honor Violence Measurement Methods,” a study released earlier this year by research corporation Westat, and commissioned by the U.S. Department of Justice, identified four types of honor violence: forced marriage, honor-based domestic violence, honor killing and female genital mutilation.

The report, which estimated that 23-27 honor killings per year occur in the U.S., noted that 91 percent of victims in North America are murdered for being “too Westernized,” and in incidents involving daughters 18 years or younger, a father is almost always involved. And for every honor killing, there are many more instances of physical and emotional abuse, all in the name of fundamentalist Islam, say experts.

Honor killing in America: DOJ report says growing problem is hidden in stats | Fox News

With increased immigration, influx from Middle Eastern and South Asian countries where honor violence is part of the culture the problem will continue to worsen if authorities don't identify and address it. Honor violence, whether it be abuse and murder, FGM, or forced marriage -- is much more widespread in America than most people realize and, as it stands, authorities have no proper system in place to track it.

Much needed training is under way in some areas. For example, homicide detectives in Peoria, Arizona have made it their mission to educate other law-enforcement officers about honor violence.
 
Old 08-08-2016, 09:01 PM
 
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Is it really unconstitutional to ban Muslims from immigrating to the USA? Must we give them the same religious liberty, even if their intent is to destroy our country?

Does the First Amendment Protect Warrior Religions? | Frontpage Mag
You could use a dollar pocket constitution too.
 
Old 08-09-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Look, if Muslims in the U.S. feel impaired in practicing their religion, too bad. If banning Muslim immigration led to fewer U.S. Muslims wearing burkas, or requesting prayer rooms or wash basins, or a Ramadan holiday, double too bad. A ban would not be unconstitutional.


Perhaps you'd like to tinker with freedom of speech to prohibit mention of any Islamic/Muslim not so nice things so none of their freedom of religion is impaired.
I'm sorry that you feel this way. I'm not a fan of Islam, but I am a fan of the Constitution, and of the principles that are the foundation of our nation. I understand that when you undermine the protections for those principles, that you imperil those principles. Across the board. Freedom of religion doesn't exist when you start making up special rules for one religion. Once you set the precedent that you can ban a specific religion from immigrating, that you can pass laws against a specific religion, then you've set the precedent that any and all religions can be targeted.

We have laws in place that are secular and that protect us. We can bar an immigrant who has associations with terrorist groups. We can prosecute someone in this country who commits an honor crime. We have laws.

We are not at war with Islam. We cannot be at war with a religion. You cannot defeat a religion. Especially a religion that has over a billion followers. And all of the people who say we are at war with Islam are giving comfort to our enemies, the religious extremists. Because that's their narrative. That's the story they are telling in order to recruit supporters. That's their rationale for attacking us.

Islam is not at war with the United States. We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with Islamic extremists who have twisted and perverted their religion, and if they didn't have religion, they would find another "cause" to rationalize their hatred, anger and frustration. These are bitter, emotionally stunted people who revel in hatred and anger, and who are looking for excuses for that hatred and anger. We don't need to help them find those excuses.
 
Old 08-09-2016, 11:45 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default Khizr Khan's Saudi Ties

Who is Khizr Khan? The Left want you to think he is just a "Gold Star" father of a fallen war hero. But is that all he is?

First of all, criticism of Khan has nothing to do with who his son is, who is indeed a war hero. But Hillary Clinton exploited his son's death by trotting Mr. Khan out as an example of a "good Muslim who loves America," with the express purpose of using him to excoriate Donald Trump for his comments on our immigration policy, especially that policy which concerns the resettlement of hundreds of thousands of Syrian "refugees" who are all Muslims, who more than likely are being infiltrated by ISIS, to harm America, just as those who have entered Europe by the thousands.

So, who is Mr. Khan?

"Intelius records that Khizr Khan has worked at Hogan Lovells Llp. According to the Washington Free Beacon, “Hogan Lovells LLP, another U.S. firm hired by the Saudis, is registered to work for the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia through 2016, disclosures show. Robert Kyle, a lobbyist from the firm, has bundled $50,850 for Clinton’s campaign.” - Khizr Khan

But there's more. Khan is not just a "good Muslim American that loves America." He is a Muslim Brotherhood operative fully engaged in "citizen jihad" to Islamize America:
Controversial comments made by Khizr Khan since DNC speech | On Air Videos | Fox News

His denial of any effort to bring Sharia to the United States is called, "taqiyya," or lying for the faith. But he indeed is trying to do just that, as are all Muslim "civilization jihadists."

Consider this. Saudi lobbyist Asim Ghafoor of the "Al Haramain Islamic Foundation" is quoted as saying: "We are here for a purpose. We are here not to just be nice to people, but to bring Islamic ways to this country."

And that is what Khizr Khan is here for also.
 
Old 08-09-2016, 11:51 AM
 
Location: North America
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How many times is crap like this going to be posted and taken down? Seriously?
 
Old 08-09-2016, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
Who is Khizr Khan? The Left want you to think he is just a "Gold Star" father of a fallen war hero. But is that all he is?

First of all, criticism of Khan has nothing to do with who his son is, who is indeed a war hero. But Hillary Clinton exploited his son's death by trotting Mr. Khan out as an example of a "good Muslim who loves America," with the express purpose of using him to excoriate Donald Trump for his comments on our immigration policy, especially that policy which concerns the resettlement of hundreds of thousands of Syrian "refugees" who are all Muslims, who more than likely are being infiltrated by ISIS, to harm America, just as those who have entered Europe by the thousands.

So, who is Mr. Khan?

"Intelius records that Khizr Khan has worked at Hogan Lovells Llp. According to the Washington Free Beacon, “Hogan Lovells LLP, another U.S. firm hired by the Saudis, is registered to work for the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia through 2016, disclosures show. Robert Kyle, a lobbyist from the firm, has bundled $50,850 for Clinton’s campaign.” - Khizr Khan

But there's more. Khan is not just a "good Muslim American that loves America." He is a Muslim Brotherhood operative fully engaged in "citizen jihad" to Islamize America:
Controversial comments made by Khizr Khan since DNC speech | On Air Videos | Fox News

His denial of any effort to bring Sharia to the United States is called, "taqiyya," or lying for the faith. But he indeed is trying to do just that, as are all Muslim "civilization jihadists."

Consider this. Saudi lobbyist Asim Ghafoor of the "Al Haramain Islamic Foundation" is quoted as saying: "We are here for a purpose. We are here not to just be nice to people, but to bring Islamic ways to this country."

And that is what Khizr Khan is here for also.
Wow, he sounds like another Bin Laden mastermind. Trump would preemptively kill him, just in case.
 
Old 08-09-2016, 11:56 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Wow, he sounds like another Bin Laden mastermind. Trump would preemptively kill him, just in case.
Nah, Donny'd sell him an overpriced apartment in one of his buildings.
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