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Old 08-12-2016, 06:24 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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It seems like the main justification I hear for keeping the immigrants rolling in, from both the Left and Right in America, is that we're a "nation of immigrants". They point to, for example, the wave of Irish immigrants 100 years ago.

But aren't the circumstances a lot different today?
  • Not as much space. 100 years ago, there was still plenty of land to move to. Now it's all gobbled up, so that more people means pricer housing and propoerty.
  • Not as many jobs. Automation, outsourcing, and so forth have already created a situation where there is a lot of competition for jobs. There is not even enough jobs being created for the native-born Americans entering the working age, and yet we need to bring in more people to compete for the limited number of jobs?
  • Welfare. When the Irish immigrants came, it was work or starve. Nowadays, you come here and you are automatically entitled to tax dollars for not working, to unlimited $$$ for college tuition, to "health care", etc. It's been shown that today's immigrants are taking more in tax dollars than they are paying in tax dollars.
  • Not as easy to assimilate. Since America is such a culuturally divided country, there is no longer a "melting pot." Obviously it was easier for the Irish immigrants since America was 95% Christian, 95% White, 95% watched baseball, 95% spoke English in their homes, etc.
A hundred years ago the frontier had been closed for 26 years.
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Old 08-12-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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They will when the people's money that supports them runs out. They're on a slide to destruction and don't even know it. Socialism only works as long as the people paying still have money then the whole country breaks down. We are getting close.

I heard Clinton today praising herself because she wants a $15 minimum wage. How does a $15 minimum wage help anyone when the jobs have been sent overseas?
They just blame someone else.

They make fun of Trump for wanting to build a wall but they do everything that encourages flight out just like they do in the inner cities. Clinton solution is to tax the hell out of them instead of policies to encourage them to come here. She certainly won't encourage more business to come here. I just don't understand how these people think. It makes no sense.

Its the use of force rather than incentivize.

Liberalism making more people unhappy.
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Old 08-12-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Ask a Swede or German or Belgian how that Arab assimilation is coming along.
Ask me how Middle Eastern assimilation worked in El Cajon, CA, the city I lived in prior to the one I live in now, where 14% of the city is Arab or Assyrian. It couldn't have worked out better.
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Old 08-12-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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I was going to tell him that many of today's immigrants don't assimilate the way immigrants did 100 years ago. For the past 40 yrs I've come in contact with many foreigners who have been here for decades and still can not speak English - but get our benefits. There's hardly a place you call now that tells you to press 1 for English and there is no reason for this.
My wife works in the Chula Vista, CA school district. They do home visits before the start of the year; many times the parents speak very broken or no English and yet the kids speak perfect English.

No different than any other generation (read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle to hear the same reporting at the turn of the 20th century) except you weren't alive to see those anecdotes for yourself.
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Old 08-12-2016, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans addressed the issue of workers who lost jobs to foreign countries but they gave lip service. And Democrats want more immigrants which will effectively keep wages low. Crony capitalist gotta love this, Hillary supporters fighting on their behalf.

Donald Trump is the first major presidential candidate to emphasize these issues saying "America First".



He can talk all he wants- his money is being made overseas-- FACTS and he just dropped another hotel in jersey - look for the BK chapter 7
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Old 08-12-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans addressed the issue of workers who lost jobs to foreign countries but they gave lip service. And Democrats want more immigrants which will effectively keep wages low. Crony capitalist gotta love this, Hillary supporters fighting on their behalf.

Donald Trump is the first major presidential candidate to emphasize these issues saying "America First".
No he is not. We have had nationalist and protectionist candidates before.
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Old 08-12-2016, 12:44 PM
 
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Because we had tons of illegal immigrants from Europe, many of which refused to assimilate and worse, brought a criminal element that was unknown in this country before they got here.

That's how.
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Old 08-12-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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When the people of Europe came here they were united by a shared culture (say what you want, there isn't a huge difference between European cultures)... Today, we bring in the third world with massively different, often inferior cultures, with no expectation to assimilate.

Disclosure: I'm Indian but from South Africa and grew up under apartheid in essentially a "White" culture. I've seen what happens when you equalize vastly inferior cultures.

In South Africa, the Jews fought very hard to end apartheid and supported communist movements (they fled after apartheid like I did) and they have pushed for the kind of immigration we see in America today (e.g 1965 immigration act heavily pushed by those groups), also in the UK this behavior was the same. I read a very interesting article which discusses how the Jews who pushed for immigration are now suffering from their policies: https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/...wish-rule.html
A shared culture? The Europeans? You sure about that? Pretty sure we were bringing lots of poor folks a hundred years ago and not having many skilled immigrants.
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Old 08-12-2016, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Canada
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There wasn't a welfare state 100 years ago.
People came for the liberty & freedom, not the freebies.
With the freebies came the strings attached, called control, by taking liberties.
I guess you're not familiar with the Homestead Acts. The offer of free land was very enticing to many immigrants.
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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A shared culture? The Europeans? You sure about that? Pretty sure we were bringing lots of poor folks a hundred years ago and not having many skilled immigrants.
Nearly ALL were poor with not much more than basic skills.

Many were illegal and a hell of a lot of them were Europe's worst criminals.
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