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Old 08-13-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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Jon Ritzheimer, the former Marine who selfied a tearful farewell before joining the Bundys & others at the Mahleur National Wildlife Refuge earlier this year, will plead guilty next Monday in Federal court to conspiracy.

Muslim-Hating Bundy Pal Jon Ritzheimer Will Plead GUILTY To Conspiracy - FreakOutNation FreakOutNation
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Old 08-13-2016, 04:12 PM
 
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Speaking of the Bundys, in true SovCit fashion Ryan Bundy is attempting to represent himself in court and has recently filed several notices, including one in which he declares himself an 'idiot' and 'incompetent'.

http://res.cloudinary.com/bdy4ger4/i...d.pdf?t=072821

Thus far, 10 of the 27 people charged in connection with the standoff have pleaded guilty.
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Old 08-13-2016, 05:24 PM
 
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Speaking of the Bundys, in true SovCit fashion Ryan Bundy is attempting to represent himself in court and has recently filed several notices, including one in which he declares himself an 'idiot' and 'incompetent'.

http://res.cloudinary.com/bdy4ger4/i...d.pdf?t=072821

Thus far, 10 of the 27 people charged in connection with the standoff have pleaded guilty.
He is an idiot, but that is not a legal excuse.
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Old 08-13-2016, 06:04 PM
 
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What the heck are SovCits & why should anyone care?

Sovereign law made Cliven Bundy a "patriot" but Korryn Gaines "crazy"
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What's the difference between Bundy and Gaines?

What they have in common is just as important. Both Gaines and Bundy allegedly believed in the concept of sovereign law. The FBI describes the sovereign citizen movement thusly:

"Sovereign citizens are anti-government extremists who believe that even though they physically reside in this country, they are separate or 'sovereign' from the United States. As a result, they believe they don’t have to answer to any government authority, including courts, taxing entities, motor vehicle departments, or law enforcement." ...
https://revolt.tv/stories/2016/08/08...azy-3517d33d30

Granted, originally the SovCit movement were white supremacists but have lately been branching out with their particular brand of crazy harmful bs:

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July 19, 2016 02:23 AM

CHICAGO (AP) — The former Marine who killed three Baton Rouge, Louisiana, police officers identified with a growing movement that originated among white supremacists and whose adherents believe they're immune to most state and federal laws, including paying taxes and getting driver's licenses.

Gavin Long, a 29-year-old black man from Kansas City, Missouri, filed documents last year declaring himself a sovereign citizen, as a member of the United Wa____aw de Dugdahmoundyah. Members of the mostly black group, which was founded in Louisiana, claim the government has no control over them and that they own much of the Louisiana Purchase land. Members have sold fake licenses, passports and license plates. ...
Baton Rouge police shooter said he was 'sovereign citizen' | WNYT.com

& what about this idiot?

Larken Rose & his 'When You Should Shoot a Cop' instructional video. I refuse to link to his particularly effed up brand.
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Old 08-13-2016, 10:49 PM
 
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This bunch of derelicts was just like a pack of dogs, on the loose and out for a good time.
It was all fun and games until they were rounded up and started getting a cone of shame strapped on their heads.

Most of the ones who never were present in the Nevada standoff of 2014 won't get more than a couple of years in prison. Some may even get probation if they can prove they weren't ever armed, like Blaine Cooper.

But every single one of them will be convicted of a felony and will have all their guns taken away for good. All of a sudden, losing their guns seems to be a better trade-off than spending a decade behind bars.

Those who have conspiracy charges of armed insurrection will definitely get slammed a lot harder. That will include most of the show-off who were present at both events.

And the state of Nevada has its own set of charges to prosecute on the same guys. Their state Attorney General has been in negotiations with the federal prosecutors ever since the arrests began, and if Ritzhiemer gets off light on the federal charges, you can be sure Nevada fully intends to put him in prison for the state charges he has against him.

For Ritzhiemer, his last forlorn hope is a Nevada jury may have some sympathetic members in it.
For sure, the jury selection will be very strenuous for everyone selected from the jury pool, and the trials just as strenuous. It will be a lot easier for the potential jurors who have sympathy for the Bundys to just admit it and be dismissed with no harm, no foul.

At present, I've read nothing about what the state of Oregon intends to do, but I'm sure there's a good possibility they will levy their own charges against some or all of the bunch who were arrested there.

And, as they cave in one by one, it's inevitable new arrests will follow eventually. The longer all the proceedings take, the more it will give all the hot-heads and threepers time to re-evaulate their emotional causes. Especially when they realize the FBI is keeping an eye on them for many years to come.
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Old 08-14-2016, 02:12 AM
 
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Nothing says crazy like renouncing something that never happened in the first place.
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Old 08-14-2016, 06:13 AM
 
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This bunch of derelicts was just like a pack of dogs, on the loose and out for a good time.
It was all fun and games until they were rounded up and started getting a cone of shame strapped on their heads.

Most of the ones who never were present in the Nevada standoff of 2014 won't get more than a couple of years in prison. Some may even get probation if they can prove they weren't ever armed, like Blaine Cooper.

But every single one of them will be convicted of a felony and will have all their guns taken away for good. All of a sudden, losing their guns seems to be a better trade-off than spending a decade behind bars.

Those who have conspiracy charges of armed insurrection will definitely get slammed a lot harder. That will include most of the show-off who were present at both events.

And the state of Nevada has its own set of charges to prosecute on the same guys. Their state Attorney General has been in negotiations with the federal prosecutors ever since the arrests began, and if Ritzhiemer gets off light on the federal charges, you can be sure Nevada fully intends to put him in prison for the state charges he has against him.

For Ritzhiemer, his last forlorn hope is a Nevada jury may have some sympathetic members in it.
For sure, the jury selection will be very strenuous for everyone selected from the jury pool, and the trials just as strenuous. It will be a lot easier for the potential jurors who have sympathy for the Bundys to just admit it and be dismissed with no harm, no foul.

At present, I've read nothing about what the state of Oregon intends to do, but I'm sure there's a good possibility they will levy their own charges against some or all of the bunch who were arrested there.

And, as they cave in one by one, it's inevitable new arrests will follow eventually. The longer all the proceedings take, the more it will give all the hot-heads and threepers time to re-evaulate their emotional causes. Especially when they realize the FBI is keeping an eye on them for many years to come.
Thanks Mike. Do you know what's going on with Ryan Payne? He was Cliven Bundy's 'body guard' from way back, right? Also the guy who jumped out of the vehicle at the end of the 'standoff'. He seems to have marketed himself as not only Cliven's consigliere but as a 'freedom fighter' as well:

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Bundyland Security Chief Ryan Payne: It’s Legal To Kill A Cop Who’s “Unlawfully Trying to Arrest You”

...Both WW and The Oregonian have singled out a key figure running security: a 31-year-old man from Anaconda, Mont. named Ryan Payne. ...
Bundyland Security Chief Ryan Payne: It

This article has a lot of background information about him, including some of his bizarre ahistorical perspectives:

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Freedom Fighter
When rancher Cliven Bundy engaged in a standoff with the BLM, a Montana man initiated a call to action to militia across the country. He considers it just the first battle in a war to reclaim America.
Freedom Fighter | News | Missoula Independent

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...Payne came to believe the latter, that the government uses regulations to deliberately undermine the average American, "that they are purposely destroying industry, they are purposely taking this land from people." The more he looked, the more he saw a deliberate and nefarious plan being orchestrated by a small number of people wielding enormous power. He saw a pervasive conspiracy to control all aspects of the media, the financial system, the entertainment industry, the military and the government.

More specifically, he came to believe that slavery never really existed in the United States and that African Americans in the antebellum South "didn't view themselves as slaves." He came to believe in "an effort by some Jews to control the world." He came to believe the founders of the United States intended for the states to act as sovereign countries. He came to believe taxes are a form of "legal plunder." He came to believe names are spelled in all-caps on driver's licenses because U.S. citizens are actually "corporate entities." He came to believe U.S. courts are actually foreign admiralty courts. He came to believe that "in most states you have the lawful authority to kill a police officer that is unlawfully trying to arrest you." He came to believe when a newborn child's footprint is made on a birth certificate, that child is effectively entering a life of servitude to the U.S. government, which borrows money from China based on that child's estimated lifetime earning potential. ...
Apparently, they have some weird ideas about a lot of things.

Has this guy, or any of them, considered taking the insanity or mental disorder defense? At least they & more importantly, their families, could get the mental health assistance they most definitely need. & it might help to break the cycle.
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Old 08-17-2016, 11:34 AM
 
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In related news:

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Gerald DeLemus, a politically active New Hampshire man, has become the first of 19 defendants to strike a plea deal in the 2014 Bunkerville standoff.

Federal prosecutors describe DeLemus, who has been in custody for more than five months, as a “gunman and midlevel organizer” in the Bundy family-led scheme to assault law enforcement officers who had rounded up Bundy cattle.

First defendant in Bunkerville standoff case to plead guilty | Las Vegas Review-Journal
Interesting to note that prior to his arrest, DeLemus was co-chair of the New Hampshire chapter of Veterans for Donald Trump.
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Old 08-17-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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I guess Daddy took an oath to turn rat at the first available opportunity.
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Old 08-17-2016, 06:47 PM
 
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Where are all the Bundy defenders? Sad, very sad - to think that they would only be fairweather friends.

Ritzheimer, btw., was the guy who was very angry about all the sex toys people sent to the camp.
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