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Indeed, and it's perverse for police to stay away from places where their lives are in more danger; the reason for the police's existence is for them to put their lives on the line for the people they (claim to) serve so that the said people don't have to. We also (ought to) hold them to the highest and strictest standards of conduct so that they do not become another criminal organization with the added protection of acting under the color of law; their purpose is to fight and reduce crime, not commit it themselves. A police force that won't put their lives on the line for the people is useless, and a police force that routinely commits acts that would be a crime if anyone else did them is worse than useless.
So, how's that police beat going for you? Oh, that's right, you've never done it. Not that I blame you for that, I don't know why anyone would want to be in law enforcement. Basically, like you, too many people believe that police officers should put their lives on the line to protect everyone else but allow themselves to be walking target practice. For these members of the public this translates into the police not being allowed to protect themselves, including when there is a gun or knife present, unless someone actually shoots or knives them.
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Can't say as I blame the police. You have a community that is openly hostile towards police and at the same time filled with criminal element. You get what you accept and Chicago evidently accepts their criminal element.
Maybe it's high time they start at least trying to take responsibility for their own safety
Like a community watch?
That would be a good idea, of course their community watchers would need to stay at home, because watching is aggressive behavior that can't be tolerated. Trayvon.
"GARFIELD PARK — Delores Coleman watched 22-year-old Irell Mitchell's life come to an abrupt end around the corner from her home Monday evening and, she said, the police came and went in 90 minutes.
"They didn't talk to anyone ... they just picked up his body and left," Coleman said. "Didn't do no investigation or nothing."
Hours later, gunmen returned to her block, firing a volley of shots that hit 10-year-old Tavon Tanner in his back while he sat with his family on their front porch. The next day he was in critical condition, with a bullet lodged in his chest."
When you can shoot back, there is a good chance the evil will be eliminated.
War is hell. The disarmed are casualties.
"GARFIELD PARK — Delores Coleman watched 22-year-old Irell Mitchell's life come to an abrupt end around the corner from her home Monday evening and, she said, the police came and went in 90 minutes.
"They didn't talk to anyone ... they just picked up his body and left," Coleman said. "Didn't do no investigation or nothing."
Hours later, gunmen returned to her block, firing a volley of shots that hit 10-year-old Tavon Tanner in his back while he sat with his family on their front porch. The next day he was in critical condition, with a bullet lodged in his chest."
I think this narrative gets highlighted because its WHAT A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE WISH WILL HAPPEN. Many think, left to ourselves, that black people will self destruct. Hence, they see blacks complaints about racism as blacks being unappreciative. Ergo, even if blacks are facing racism and injustice from whites and white institutions, without whites and white institutions, that the situation for blacks would be even worse than it is. In their minds, black communities in America would become like.......Africa or Haiti....without whites. This is really how many of them think.
Black people need to understand this underlying mindset. White people know that there is racism and injustice in the police......but they feel the bigger problem is the inferior nature of black people. This is what happened in Detroit. When Detroit got its first black mayor in the 70's and he became vocal about racism and started making changes in the city....Many whites placed unwritten sanctions on Detroit....to help promote its failure. Whites moved from the city....white businesses moved from the city.....Refused to visit.....and the city eventually went bankrupt in a few decades.....with the optics blaming it on black leadership and people. They wanted black people to cry uncle. Ergo....to acquiesce to the fact that without whites, we cannot make it, notwithstanding white racism.
Detroit area business leaders, however, finally realized that by not having a strong vibrant city at the core of the metropolitan area....was hurting their companies ability to attract talented workers from around the country who were more and more attracted to cities and not suburbs. Thus, in order to change the optics to induce investment......Detroit needed a white mayor.....and got one. Now the investment is pouring into the city again and the city is seen as being on the comeback....reinforcing the optics that black leadership brought down the city and the return of white leaders is bringing the city back.
Many white Americans believe that blacks will self destruct without whites.....and thus they believe that blacks have some nerve to be complaining about white racism. However, many whites do not realize that they create a self fulfilling prophecy from their actions. White society FOMENTS black dysfunction, and always have, via self fulfilling their prophesy....through their own actions. If whites would have always treated us as their equal.......then we would be their socioeconomic equals today, without all these statistical skews in rates of crime and violence, as well as economics.
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I think this narrative gets highlighted because its WHAT A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE WISH WILL HAPPEN. Many think, left to ourselves, that black people will self destruct. Hence, they see blacks complaints about racism as blacks being unappreciative. Ergo, even if blacks are facing racism and injustice from whites and white institutions, without whites and white institutions, that the situation for blacks would be even worse than it is. In their minds, black communities in America would become like.......Africa or Haiti....without whites. This is really how many of them think.
Black people need to understand this underlying mindset. White people know that there is racism and injustice in the police......but they feel the bigger problem is the inferior nature of black people. This is what happened in Detroit. When Detroit got its first black mayor in the 70's and he became vocal about racism and started making changes in the city....Many whites placed unwritten sanctions on Detroit....to help promote its failure. Whites moved from the city....white businesses moved from the city.....Refused to visit.....and the city eventually went bankrupt in a few decades.....with the optics blaming it on black leadership and people. They wanted black people to cry uncle. Ergo....to acquiesce to the fact that without whites, we cannot make it, notwithstanding white racism.
Detroit area business leaders, however, finally realized that by not having a strong vibrant city at the core of the metropolitan area....was hurting their companies ability to attract talented workers from around the country who were more and more attracted to cities and not suburbs. Thus, in order to change the optics to induce investment......Detroit needed a white mayor.....and got one. Now the investment is pouring into the city again and the city is seen as being on the comeback....reinforcing the optics that black leadership brought down the city and the return of white leaders is bringing the city back.
Many white Americans believe that blacks will self destruct without whites.....and thus they believe that blacks have some nerve to be complaining about white racism. However, many whites do not realize that they create a self fulfilling prophecy from their actions. White society FOMENTS black dysfunction, and always have, via self fulfilling their prophesy....by their own actions. If whites would have always treated us as their equal.......then we would be their socioeconomic equals today, without all these statistical skews in rates of crime and violence, as well as economics.
Africa doesn't really have any white people. Seems like a nice place to live.
Africa doesn't really have any white people. Seems like a nice place to live.
But white people have been in contact with the continent for the last 500 years. Keep in mind though.....that human life started out as African.....and hence that black people have been surviving long before there were even white people. Thus, the idea that black survival is somehow dependent upon whites is utterly ridiculous. However, if you take control of the resources of a people, then you thwart their ability to survive.
So the police are acting like juveniles because they are being held to high standards...nice. My way or the high way isn't how public service is supposed to work.
Risk is part of the job for police however, irresponsible risk is not.
This isn't some high school game, people get killed and no, never is it the job of the police to die for anyone else.
You will not find anywhere, any policy that says a police officer must forfeit their life in favor of another, there is no such thing, no requirement.
When a police officer dies protecting the public it is a sacrifice, a selfless act, not because anyone said they had to do it.
Anyone saying a police officer is supposed to give up their life for anyone else doesn't know what they're talking about.
The only service in the USA that requires dying if necessary is military service, in any other service uncluding law enforcement that is left to the discretion of the individual and one reason why they can shoot and kill you before you kill them.
In the military, a soldier can be ordered not to shoot until they are shot at and so can expext to die before actively defending themselves supposedly, for the greater good.
A police officer does not have to wait, the threat to their lives means they can do anything to preserve it, including shooting first.
It doesn't matter what you like, think or believe it should be, that is the way it is because that is the way it should be.
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The majority of poor Black people want MORE police in their neighborhoods, not less. Unfortunately they're not the ones getting any airtime on CNN or out throwing rocks at the police.
It just illustrates the paradox of policing poor Black neighborhoods. There are two types of policing, proactive and reactive. Traditional policing is proactive. They see 10 guys in the park at 1am and thew roll up, check ID's, tell everyone to go home if everyone's clean or maybe find a wanted fugitive, a gun, drugs, etc. Those fugitives, guns and drugs being off the streets makes the neighborhood safer and doesn't negatively impact the law abiding citizens. Or the police see a car driving around at 4am in a known gang neighborhood with four guys in it, so they stop them on a minor traffic violation. If everyone's clean, they probably get off with a warning. Or maybe they find a wanted fugitive, a gun or drugs and again, they may have just saved lives and the neighborhood is safer. The problem in these high crime, often poor Black neighborhoods is that the vast majority of the people committing crimes and being profiled are going to be Black. When 95% of the people the cops arrest in a poor Black neighborhood are Black, then they're accused of systemic racism, even though Black & Hispanic cops show the exact same results as White cops.
So, the thugs and political opportunists demand the cops back off on the proactive policing and that leaves the cops with reactive policing in the name of fairness. Now the cops ignore those 10 guys in the park at 1am and instead wait for the call that someone in that park has been shot dead in a dispute. Do what the political opportunists ask for long enough and then the cops are accused of not doing their jobs and . . .racism.
It's a no win position for the cops and that's just what the political opportunists want.
"GARFIELD PARK — Delores Coleman watched 22-year-old Irell Mitchell's life come to an abrupt end around the corner from her home Monday evening and, she said, the police came and went in 90 minutes.
"They didn't talk to anyone ... they just picked up his body and left," Coleman said. "Didn't do no investigation or nothing."
Hours later, gunmen returned to her block, firing a volley of shots that hit 10-year-old Tavon Tanner in his back while he sat with his family on their front porch. The next day he was in critical condition, with a bullet lodged in his chest."
The people of these neighborhoods are getting exactly what they wanted. No Police interaction. They are reaping what they sowed. I feel bad for the good law abiding people of these areas. They are pretty much trapped with no way out and live in fear of becoming a victim themselves. They allowed the savages to take over and drive the Police out. Sad.
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