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Neither is acceptable but trying to compare the two is ridiculous.
Powell:
2 emails that were received by him that were "up-classified"
Obscure private email account that at best would be exposed to the techs at AOL.
Clinton:
110 emails in 52 email chains that were classified at the time they were sent and received.
8 email chains with TOP SECRET/SAP information.
2,000 Emails "up-classified".
Public server exposed to the entire world that has likely been compromised.
Data exposed to techs at two data centers and possibly more.
14,900 work related emails deleted and never turned over to state.
Unknown amount of work related emails not recovered.
Use of a Blackberry in hostile foreign countries.
What did I miss?
There is no significant difference between Powell and Clinton. Both used email addresses accessible on non government systems. It may well be that Clinton's was in fact safer though that can certainly be disputed.
Powell would appear better simply because it is difficult if not impossible to get at what he sent and received these years later. Even access to .pst after this period of time may not be available. So basically we see some limited copies of what he saved as hard copies and not much else.
Rice is in better shape though she had subordinates operating with public emails.
LOL, she claimed she didn't even know the emails were classified. I guess we can chalk it up to her brain damage?
If the emails originated in the State Dept and she said they were not classified then they were not classified.
As RK has repeatedly pointed out she has that authority in the State Dept. CIA or NSA can claim they were highly classified elsewhere and that would be true...but they still would be unclassified in the State Dept.
This is really not hard stuff if you are not trying to prove a preordained case. The Depts control their own classification. And that is even in the face of intense resisting from the intelligence agencies.
If the emails originated in the State Dept and she said they were not classified then they were not classified.
The FBI said they were. So the FBI doesn't understand the laws?
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As RK has repeatedly pointed out she has that authority in the State Dept. CIA or NSA can claim they were highly classified elsewhere and that would be true...but they still would be unclassified in the State Dept.
This is really not hard stuff if you are not trying to prove a preordained case. The Depts control their own classification. And that is even in the face of intense resisting from the intelligence agencies.
And the depts can be irresponsible with the classified information they create?
The FBI said they were. So the FBI doesn't understand the laws?
Actually it is reasonably clear the FBI understood the law.
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And the depts can be irresponsible with the classified information they create?
Absolutely. A perfectly appropriate and fair criticism. But we never get to see whether it is justified or not or simply a State versus Spook issue. It is too classified to let us reach a conclusion.
I would personally lean toward the spooks. But they notoriously oversell these issues so who knows? I would not be surprised to find State and Clinton showed bad judgement but not really anything earth shaking.
Actually it is reasonably clear the FBI understood the law.
Absolutely. A perfectly appropriate and fair criticism. But we never get to see whether it is justified or not or simply a State versus Spook issue. It is too classified to let us reach a conclusion.
I would personally lean toward the spooks. But they notoriously oversell these issues so who knows? I would not be surprised to find State and Clinton showed bad judgement but not really anything earth shaking.
When the state and those representing it shows bad judgement it's always important. Especially with someone that has shown repeated bad judgement.
When the state and those representing it shows bad judgement it's always important. Especially with someone that has shown repeated bad judgement.
Again it is not clear and will not be clear. Was it actually a set of matters of great import? Or was it some matters that annoyed someone at NSA? There is no basis to decide. Comey is not competent to referee such a debate. Clinton would have better credentials. Off hand the only one who could actually make a call in such a matter would be the President. And he may not feel qualified to do so.
And there is no evidence that Clinton has shown bad judgement. Everything has not worked out well but that happens. As a for instance I can find no fault with her Benghazi performance. She was simply the boss when a bad thing went down. Even the Video is not her doing. It was obvious government speak to cover the CIA operation in the annex.
That judge should be out of a job! Where are the protests for justice, for this sailor?
The problem is the United States has officially descended into a banana republic, thanks to liberals. They've completely and openly subverted the government into one of favoritism. So you can use the IRS to harass one side while the same IRS breaks the law the other way to grant retroactive tax sheltering to relatives of Obama. You throw Dinesh D'Souza in jail while Bill Clinton and Al Gore are taking money from Buddhist monks. You jail a sailor while you elect Hillary to be President. And there's no recourse, since they will use the full force of the government against anyone who disagrees. So, if the sailor says "but Hillary Clinton," they'll just go "contempt of court" and then jail him for 6 more years, then dishonorably discharge him, then investigate him for tax fraud, then CPS will take his kids away, then they'll make him the one person in America who isn't allowed to get welfare. And then, once he's reduced to a penniless, broken man on the street, a government official will come to him with a video camera and make him confess that he loves Hillary Clinton with tears streaming down his face, just like in Orwell's "1984."
It may well be that Clinton's was in fact safer though that can certainly be disputed.
She was using a publicly accessible server that was known to the entire world with off the shelf software administered by a part time tech . This has a giant sign on it that says here I am, hack me. Foreign intelligence agencies are very much going to be aware of this server and being it was such a large target they will have used all means necessary to get in including zero day exploits such as the NSA ones recently published online.
Powell's email account is one account among billions on a system using proprietary software administered by hundreds if not thousands of full time techs and engineers. It's not 100% secure but it's hardly anything compared to Clinton's server.
Since Clinton's server was moved to data center after she resigned with the emails on it they too were exposed to techs and it's going to be much more obvious what it is. For example there is email with a tech voicing concern about Clinton's staff wanting them to implement a 30 day retention policy on backups AFTER the investigation started. Just another one of those coincidences.
Then this past August, a Platte River Networks employee wrote to a coworker that he was, "Starting to think this whole thing really is covering up some shaddy (sic) s**t."
"I just think if we have it in writing that they told us to cut the backups, and that we can go public with our statement saying we have backups since day one, then we were told to trim to 30days (sic), it would make us look a WHOLE LOT better," the unnamed employee continued.
Again it is not clear and will not be clear. Was it actually a set of matters of great import? Or was it some matters that annoyed someone at NSA? There is no basis to decide. Comey is not competent to referee such a debate. Clinton would have better credentials. Off hand the only one who could actually make a call in such a matter would be the President. And he may not feel qualified to do so.
It's very clear. It doesnt take an expert to understand that you do NOT do what Clinton did and I will note your statement on the part of the incompetence of the FBI. Funny how you seem to be an expert there.
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And there is no evidence that Clinton has shown bad judgement. Everything has not worked out well but that happens. As a for instance I can find no fault with her Benghazi performance. She was simply the boss when a bad thing went down. Even the Video is not her doing. It was obvious government speak to cover the CIA operation in the annex.
Again, it does not take much brain matter to understand that you do NOT run guns out of a foriegn country to arm the very terrorists you claim to be fighting.
There is no significant difference between Powell and Clinton. Both used email addresses accessible on non government systems. It may well be that Clinton's was in fact safer though that can certainly be disputed.
Powell would appear better simply because it is difficult if not impossible to get at what he sent and received these years later. Even access to .pst after this period of time may not be available. So basically we see some limited copies of what he saved as hard copies and not much else.
Rice is in better shape though she had subordinates operating with public emails.
Clinton, Powell apples and oranges. To suggest a comparison is pure desperation. Legal review has put that comparison to rest....except for Mr and Mrs 'depends on what is is " distorted legalese viewpoint.
Let's see the SOPs in place during Powell's tenure vs Clinton's, that's just one difference.
HRC passed on top security info to lawyers and IT guys who had no clearance. HRC has committed enough breaches of national security to put her away for life. If obama's DOJ doesn't do it the media must! Otherwise the media is proclaiming its dying allegience to obama/hrc right or wrong as a propaganda machine embracing the weaponized federal agencies.
HRC endangered national security. Like saying, both ate some pizza, Powell took one bite and Hillary ate two entire pies herself in one sitting. No comparison!
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