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Old 08-27-2016, 05:27 PM
 
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History shows us that people have never been angels. Some people will kill over "he called me a name". We need government. We just need the right kind of government.
Exactly. We need the right kind of government to lock up people who would kill over "he called me a name" or "he wants to vote for Trump". Not a government that claims we're locking too many people up or too many from an identity group that the government wants to pander for votes from.
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Old 08-27-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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I'm done with "white folks are the problem" tirade.
You're unhappy with historical facts? Your delusions of grandeur serve you better?

Let's face it, mistakes both large & small were made, loyalty to ancestors doesn't have to include loyalty to their mistakes.
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Old 08-27-2016, 05:34 PM
 
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It wasn't about Democrat or Republican, most of those opposing or resisting civil rights were from the former Confederate States. Our history is not irrelevant in the present day no matter your wishes.

"You don't need to know too much history to understand that the South from the civil war to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 tended to be opposed to minority rights. This factor was separate from party identification or ideology. We can easily control for this variable by breaking up the voting by those states that were part of the confederacy and those that were not."

(Please see link for breakdown)

"You can see that geography was far more predictive of voting coalitions on the Civil Rights than party affiliation. What linked Dirksen and Mansfield was the fact that they weren't from the south. In fact, 90% of members of Congress from states (or territories) that were part of the Union voted in favor of the act, while less than 10% of members of Congress from the old Confederate states voted for it. This 80pt difference between regions is far greater than the 15pt difference between parties."

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...f-civil-rights
I'm not really disagreeing. The CRA wasn't particularly needed nor consequential in the North and there was no apparent reason to oppose it. But that doesn't mean that those who opposed it in southern areas didn't have a different situation and valid reasons and concerns.
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Old 08-27-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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Exactly. We need the right kind of government to lock up people who would kill over "he called me a name" or "he wants to vote for Trump". Not a government that claims we're locking too many people up or too many from an identity group that the government wants to pander for votes from.
As long as we're speaking about improving government, can we agree these findings are problematic?

The department found reasonable cause to believe that BPD engages in a pattern or practice of:
  • Conducting stops, searches and arrests without meeting the requirements of the Fourth Amendment;
  • Focusing enforcement strategies on African Americans, leading to severe and unjustified racial disparities in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act and the Safe Streets Act;
  • Using unreasonable force in violation of the Fourth Amendment;
  • Interacting with individuals with mental health disabilities in a manner that violates the Americans with Disabilities Act; and
  • Interfering with the right to free expression in violation of the First Amendment.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...ice-department
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Old 08-27-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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I'm not really disagreeing. The CRA wasn't particularly needed nor consequential in the North and there was no apparent reason to oppose it. But that doesn't mean that those who opposed it in southern areas didn't have a different situation and valid reasons and concerns.
On the bold: Are you kidding?
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Old 08-27-2016, 05:38 PM
 
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You're unhappy with historical facts? Your delusions of grandeur serve you better?

Let's face it, mistakes both large & small were made, loyalty to ancestors doesn't have to include loyalty to their mistakes.
Not a matter of historical facts, but one-side "facts" and blaming one group for everything as liberals always do.
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Old 08-27-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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On the bold: Are you kidding?
Some northern areas never had slavery or segregation and had black suffrage and citizenship, or even a significant black population. The 13th and 14th amendment around 1866 changed things little from the current state. The 1965 CRA was more or less redundancy and a vote pandering plan.
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Old 08-27-2016, 05:50 PM
 
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Some northern areas never had slavery, segregation and had black suffrage and citizenship, or even a significant black population. The 13th and 14th amendment around 1866 changed things little from the current state. The 1965 CRA was more or less redundancy and a vote pandering plan.
Again, are you kidding?

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Justice Department Announces Findings of Two Civil Rights Investigations in Ferguson, Missouri

Justice Department Finds a Pattern of Civil Rights Violations by the Ferguson Police Department

The Justice Department announced the findings of its two civil rights investigations related to Ferguson, Missouri, today. The Justice Department found that the Ferguson Police Department (FPD) engaged in a pattern or practice of conduct that violates the First, Fourth, and 14th Amendments of the Constitution. The Justice Department also announced that the evidence examined in its independent, federal investigation into the fatal shooting of Michael Brown does not support federal civil rights charges against Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson.

“As detailed in our report, this investigation found a community that was deeply polarized, and where deep distrust and hostility often characterized interactions between police and area residents,” said Attorney General Eric Holder. “Our investigation showed that Ferguson police officers routinely violate the Fourth Amendment in stopping people without reasonable suspicion, arresting them without probable cause, and using unreasonable force against them. Now that our investigation has reached its conclusion, it is time for Ferguson’s leaders to take immediate, wholesale and structural corrective action. The report we have issued and the steps we have taken are only the beginning of a necessarily resource-intensive and inclusive process to promote reconciliation, to reduce and eliminate bias, and to bridge gaps and build understanding.”
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...guson-missouri
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Old 08-27-2016, 07:50 PM
 
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Again, are you kidding?

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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...guson-missouri
Obama's DOJ. That's an unbiased source lol. That report was just one big application of disparate impact theory and has been picked to pieces by others who analyzed it.
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Old 08-27-2016, 10:08 PM
 
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Obama's DOJ. That's an unbiased source lol. That report was just one big application of disparate impact theory and has been picked to pieces by others who analyzed it.
I'd be interested in taking a look at these other analyses. Sources?
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