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Nothing in the quote conveyed hatred for America. Hatred for America's unjust and expensive actions, yes, but not the country. What I find sad is that people blindly think that America's actions should be supported. Um, why do we have brains? I think because we should use them! It is illogical to think that if you criticize America's actions, you are somehow insulting the country. I for one do not sanction murder and torture being done in my name, nor should any other American. You cannot pick and choose what you want from war to tout its success, it must be viewed in its entirety.
But let's go back to our accomplishments there...define this peace that is slowly returning to Iraq. If "peace" is forced upon you from some outside entity, a force that kills thousands of your fellow peaceful countrymen, is that really "peace"? Are a dozen high security FOREIGN military bases on your land a way to instill security for you or control over you? If said foreign invaders told you that you couldn't plant your seeds in your farmland, seeds that had been genetically pure for several thousand years to specifically grow on your land, would you welcome the genetically modified seeds and would you feel right in eating the "alien" crop? Iraq, cradle of civilization and agriculture can not now grow its own food. It has to be American bio-engineered food with far less nutrients and god knows what else in it.
I'll confess that some individual lives may be better now but the country America invaded is not better off, not stronger, not healthier, not wealthier and certainly not more "peaceful".
And what does your post have to do with how code pinkers trash that recruiting station? How they basicly lied about the recruiters and defamed their character. What does their mission have to do with ending the war in Iraq? Nothing..... How does their mission support our troops. It doesn't.
They hate the military and their mission is simple. Harrass and annoy those who wear the uniform, discredit them through any means regardless of honesty. Its that simple.
If they wanted to protest the war why not take it to their local reps office or to DC?
Wonder how many of them are pot heads? That might explain their behavior.
Hey there you who protest the Mom's dignified protest? Someone said, "Freedom for those who fought for it, is a taste the protected will never know." Have some of you forgotten 9-11-01 already? I have copies of the ringleader's licenses they obtained long before 9-11-01 as they planned their attack for over five years...Bush was only in office nine months when that happened. We do not know what intelligence, strategy for fighting back entailed. Today, the public wants to "sit in" secret strategy??? Well, if that were the case, the terrorists will sit in too. They watch the evening news too. When I was a young person during WWII we believed that "loose lips sink ships." Even the GI Mail was censored to prevent the enemy from knowing where our troops were. When my late brother was in Vietnam, I sounded very much like some of you, in my letters to him. When he came home, he told me he wanted to choke me, not literally, for protesting and objecting to the Vietnam conflict. He said, I knew little about the real issues there. I remember him telling me how when he left saigon for the last time, his colonel counterpart said as lifted his medal over my brother's neck and said."Joe I don't think we will see each other again, but thank you for all you did." You know when the Americans left, millions of people, Cambodian and otherwise, were murdered for helping the United States. Now, don't get spastic, we wanted that war to end as well, but we did not want a fast pull out which is why I will not vote for Obama. The Iraqis who helped us will be murdered if we do not conduct our end, militarily wise, and not to satisfy Obama's grand stand play. The enemy must love him. Remember, the terrorists hate "the infidels." Anyone who does not believe in their radical religion are "the infidels." Like you and me. Make no mistake, they are planning another jihad, do you think that Obama is going to stop these madmen? Do you think they will look at him as a fellow-jihadist? Of course not, Obama became a Christian during this last decade. His Mother was a white athiest. We never talk about those issues, do we? All of our troops are volunteers. There has been no draft for decades. At least give them a tip of the hat. Many of our troops who are stationed here in the mainland, often respond to crises around the country. Here's to a coureageous mother. Here's to the fallen Iraqi heroes in my community. Thank You for fighting for freedom around the world and for those who don't appreciate your gift to us.
Neitzchean gangsta: Wow: You sure do hate anyone who disagrees with you. Truth is its own defense. I am not an anti-war protester. I have spoken to several marines and soldeirs in my community who upon returning from Iraq have related their experiences to family members like myself. Every month, we sent a 30-40 pound box of food et al to my nephew and his friends, toys for the Iraqi children, my community sent boxes of clothes for Iraqi children. One local Boy Scout was so pleased to see the clothes he and his Mom bought being worn by the children. My nephew said, that the kids used to hang around the "gate" for food and clothes, but our troops had to cease giving them out at the gate because the terrorists knew the kids would be there and bombed the gate. After repairs etc. the American troops would travel through the communities, at great risk and deliver the packages directly. One of our marines said, as he lay dying, "make sure a marine tells my parents (his dad was a marine). What you miss in all of this is, our troops believe in what they are doing and you cause them pain, because you, without knowing what is really happening there, are so quick to condemn them. They watch the evening news as well. You should be angry with Obama who is a first term Senator, using his short time in the Senate to campaign against a war of which he knows nothing. I am not a Hillary fan, but at least she has gone to Iraq a couple of times and knows enough about information shared with her by the intelligence committee, that you can not pull out on "Day One." I don't think she was supporting Bush, I think she made her decision based on what she knew. It's apparent Obama knows nothing about military strategy. He told the world that he worked in a community activist program ergo....experience. Check it out on GuideStar nonprofit reports and Forms 990 for donors, grantmakers and businesses Communities Development Project is a small church group catering to drug addicts. Noble indeed, but no sustitute for experience that qualifies him to be commander in chief of our armies and navies nor to deal with leaders of foreign nations around the world. You may disagree, but having been in government service for over three decades before my retirement, I think I know a little bit about it.
Audio clips of the true agenda of Illegal Alien Lobby
Agendas of MEChA, La Raza, MALDEF, and Southwest Voter Registration Projects Sorry about the large letters, I cut and pasted this from another post, but take a look and a listen to the audio tapes of this group. type in the title in your favorite engine's window, yahoo, ask, dogpile etc. listen to what the agenda is for America. note one of the "preachers" is Richardson who dropped out of the race.
You honestly think recruiters are honest and forthright in their activities?
I don't have to worship militarism. Worshipping militarism is the first step on the road to fascism. That's what groups like the Hitler Youth did or what Nashi in Russia is doing today. Your life is yours, it doesn't belong to the state to be sacrificed for petty whims. Likewise every 20 year old kid that dies in Iraq is a f-ing tragedy. Alot of these moms are just shell shocked, they aren't having the loss sink in and the patriotic fiends that egg them on are just contributing to their delusional freak shows. Their kids are dying for a line in the sand and national branding. The average person will miss those Iraq war soldiers less than they miss $1.70 gasoline. All the while their president sleeps like a baby at night because he's too dumb and Jesus-drunk narcissistic to realize that there are other people in the world besides himself.
Furthermore, why make soldiering the sine qua none of patriotism? That just seems really weak in my book. You could be a child molester and alcoholic that eats babies, and as long as you step on an IED in Iraq you are some kind of hero? This country loses good people all the time, people that will never have parades or plaques. What makes the kids in Iraq any better than somebody fighting breast cancer or childhood leukemia, or moreover, the doctors and nurses that have to work with them every day? They are bigger heroes in my book.
My hope is that the war will end within a year. It is tearing the country apart and creating a new Vietnam with more bitterness, division, and politicizing, and all the other problems Vietnam caused. The next president will have alot of work to do that he or she should not have had to deal with. I only hope history will remember who prosecuted this stupid, pointless war. I'm certainly not going to forget.
Rosie was probably talking about an earlier estimate, the one that was done by Johns Hopkins. Here is a later study ORB - Opinion Business Research - Newsroom (http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88 - broken link)
This just simply confirms that I'm right and you have no idea what you're talking about.
I would argue that your post is anti-war propaganda,
Yes, you can argue it, but you have nothing to stand on except perhaps for a desire to advocate war upon people you know NOTHING about.
And please spare us the MSM media anti-war propaganda nonsense. It was them, pushed for the invasion of Iraq. They had the opportunity, before the invasion even started to hold Bush accountable for his WMD claims, but they did not. They had the opportunity to "call Bush out," on his clear violation of international law in attacking a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to US security, they did not. They had the opportunity to point out to the American people the inherent contradiction in the insane notion of exporting democracy, they did not. What these things point to is craven relationship with the White House in the advocacy for an invasion of Iraq, the New York Times itself, the "paper of record," had to print an apology for its shameful reporting.
So do yourself a favor, the next time you feel the need to offer an opinion on current events do some research, before you end up embarrassing yourself, like you just did.
Who in the devil have you been listening to? You sound like the MSM. Do you remember how many millions died at the hands of Saddam? Do you know they have the right to vote now? Peace is returning slowly but surely to their country. Why do YOU hate America so much? It's sad.....
You seem to not know what you're talking about. Our recklessness and irresponsibility have killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein. So get your facts straight.
And I love America, that's why I hold my elected officials accountable MOD CUT. I'm the American patriot not you.
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Reason: keep it civil, please
Yes, you can argue it, but you have nothing to stand on except perhaps for a desire to advocate war upon people you know NOTHING about.
And please spare us the MSM media anti-war propaganda nonsense. It was them, pushed for the invasion of Iraq. They had the opportunity, before the invasion even started to hold Bush accountable for his WMD claims, but they did not. They had the opportunity to "call Bush out," on his clear violation of international law in attacking a sovereign nation that posed no threat whatsoever to US security, they did not. They had the opportunity to point out to the American people the inherent contradiction in the insane notion of exporting democracy, they did not. What these things point to is craven relationship with the White House in the advocacy for an invasion of Iraq, the New York Times itself, the "paper of record," had to print an apology for its shameful reporting.
So do yourself a favor, the next time you feel the need to offer an opinion on current events do some research, before you end up embarrassing yourself, like you just did.
Yeah I am just red-faced . We disagree, get over it.
PS - your screename is fitting
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. We disagree, get over it.
