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Old 08-28-2016, 03:43 PM
 
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The problem liberal progressives have isn't that everyone else doesn't understand you, its that they do.
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Old 08-28-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders and certainly many other Democratic Party politicians support a single payer system.

https://berniesanders.com/medicareforall/
Yes, Bernie and a small number want it. Unfortunately Bernie voted for Obamacare.
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Old 08-28-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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Yes, Bernie and a small number want it. Unfortunately Bernie voted for Obamacare.
Hillary wants it. The democrat party wants it. Small number? Using fingers and toes to count these days?

Like I said, others do understand what you're saying which only solidifes their opposition to it.

Your entire premise relies on taking from the middle class and degrading them to the lowest common denominator.
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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Hillary wants it.
No she doesn't. She said she would keep Obamacare.

Hillary Clinton reveals her plan to revise--not repeal or replace--Obamacare - LA Times

It is unfixable.

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The democrat party wants it. Small number? Using fingers and toes to count these days?

Like I said, others do understand what you're saying which only solidifes their opposition to it.

Your entire premise relies on taking from the middle class and degrading them to the lowest common denominator.
We've already had this discussion. If they had wanted it they could have passed it as opposed to the mess we got. You didn't address my earlier point either.
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:05 PM
 
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No, but the same thing they do for AIDS and other communicable diseases. Zika is new, don't have a handle on it yet. Still waiting on that congress $$$$$
Better to just wait until it becomes an epidemic in the USA right?

So typical, wait until a problem becomes unmanageable so that bleeding hearts can hold up babies and claim no one cares. How predictable.
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:10 PM
 
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Better to just wait until it becomes an epidemic in the USA right?
This is what we were told was going to happen with ebola also.

White House Pressures States to Reverse Mandatory Ebola Quarantine Orders


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So typical, wait until a problem becomes unmanageable so that bleeding hearts can hold up babies and claim no one cares. How predictable.
So the answer is billions to big government?
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:13 PM
 
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The system is going to collapse under its own weight soon enough and a single payer system will be the only alternative left. That's just reality. The baby boomers are surging into their most expensive years in terms of healthcare usage. The technology that keeps the aged going is incredibly expensive. Again, just reality, not a value judgment. Big pharma has bought the best politicians money can buy and so the US consumer will continue subsidizing the rest of the world's medicine.

The elephant in the room that society isn't talking about is over-use of the healthcare system. My wife and I watched this firsthand with our parents. Endless doctor's appts and tests that typically were just followups that didn't amount to anything more than
"how are you doing Mrs. L., great let's see you again in 3 months". When my mid-90's father-in-law was a nursing home patient with dementia, his doctor would swing by the nursing home, poke his head in the room and say "how you doing Mr. L" and then move on to the next room. A billing event for a 15 second visit with a patient he didn't examine and who couldn't communicate back to him. When my mother had a non-recoverable stroke that took 6 days to prove fatal, the hospital kept repeating scans and other exams when they knew she wouldn't survive it, and they assigned 2 palliative care doctors plus assorted palliative care nurses for an unresponsive patient that was clearly failing. Those 6 days were a couple hundred thousand dollar billing event. And for the record the family only asked that they let her pass in peace. We asked for no heroics.

Even if big pharma can be brought under control, unless the over use issue can be brought under control, healthcare costs will cripple the country even with a single payer system.
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:16 PM
 
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No worries, euthanasia is on the way in more ways than you can count.
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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This is what we were told was going to happen with ebola also.

White House Pressures States to Reverse Mandatory Ebola Quarantine Orders




So the answer is billions to big government?
Sropping immigration from Zika epidemic.plagued countries without effective screening to detect the virus would cost billions given to big government? How so?
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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Single payer has little to with healthcare, it is a cross platform model to establish the mechanisms to redistribute wealth.

Holding up some grandchild because the parents want to use an Epipen is just another ends justifying the means end run.

Sucks for the grandchild but it sucks far worse for the families pushed into poverty so that lil sally can play soccer and have an Epipen on standby because mommy and daddy haven't figured out anything else.
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