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Old 08-27-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by Taratova View Post
[b]Epipen has no generic. Big problem. No way to buy it in the cheaper generic version.
While it is true there there is no autoinjector that is a generic of the EpiPen, there is a competitor:

Adrenaclick® (epinephrine injection, USP auto-injector)

The instructions for the Adrenaclick are different, and anyone who uses an autoinjector should know exactly how to use it. During an emergency is not the time to be reading the package insert.

A pack of two is about $144 at Walmart with the GoodRx discount

Adrenaclick Prices and Adrenaclick Coupons - GoodRx

 
Old 08-27-2016, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Concord NC
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Maybe the price-hike will discourage helicopter-mom from demanding unnecessary drugs from path-of-least-resistance doctors for their hot-house flower children. The drug supplies should go towards those that actually require them.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Wrong.




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Epinephrine is literally $1 for 1mL. Its synthesis has been known for over 100 years. Epipens have 1/3 of 1 mL of epinephrine. It's quite baffling why any consumer is paying Mylan money for something they can have for $2 or less.
And just keep up with changing them out.

Long-term stability of epinephrine dispensed in unsealed syringes for the first-aid treatment of anaphylaxis. - PubMed - NCBI
 
Old 08-27-2016, 02:04 PM
 
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Yes let's sue to end the FDA and all the other alphabet agencies.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 02:37 PM
 
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
While it is true there there is no autoinjector that is a generic of the EpiPen, there is a competitor:

Adrenaclick® (epinephrine injection, USP auto-injector)

The instructions for the Adrenaclick are different, and anyone who uses an autoinjector should know exactly how to use it. During an emergency is not the time to be reading the package insert.

A pack of two is about $144 at Walmart with the GoodRx discount

Adrenaclick Prices and Adrenaclick Coupons - GoodRx
You don't even andrenaclick, which is still overpriced. You can buy and fill auto injectors yourself:.
Owen Mumford Autoject® 2 Injection Aid Device


That's what's Infuriating about Mylan, they're just being a pain in the ass for no reason. They didn't invent anything. Epinephrine isn't patented. The technology of autoinjecting pens can't be monopolized and it isn't something that they control. Tons of diabetics use reusable autoinjecting needles, supplies for which can be bought at Walmart, all of the time.

People are basically paying $599 to Mylan per epipen for nothing when they can make 20x the number of epipens themselves for a fraction of the price. You don't even need a generic maker who'll still charge too much money for it.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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Epipen has no generic. Big problem. No way to buy it in the cheaper generic version. Corporations get rich and greedy.

TPP which Hillary will pass will take away the generics of drugs we need to survive and we will be paying through the nose for any drugs we need.. just another globalist buying off Hillary to the detriment of us working people.
https://ourfuture.org/20140224/tpp-o...ctual-property

Hillary cannot and will not take away Generic Drugs, the ACA and Medicare is "entrenched in the usage of generic drugs", it is a critical part of the medical reform within and through what is incorporated in ACA. It has been and continues to be a part of Medicaid Part which covers prescription drugs. It also is a continual promotion to bring in more generic drug makers to help filter us away from the gouging by big pharmacy and the strangle hold it has on many medications. IF anything the aim is to allow for Generics to enter the market along side patented drug to help manage and maintain the lowering of cost. Part of the Cost Reduction Plans within ACA is to help reduce the cost of drugs.

Please do not confound the matter with things that are not of realism in such perspectives.

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Old 08-27-2016, 03:38 PM
 
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Default We need to have and use our voice- for change

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Something needs to happen, but class action lawsuits are stupid. The only ones that profit are the lawyers of the lawsuit. I'd rather see them overwhelmed with thousands of individual lawsuits.
I can go for either one, I want to see the PENALTY assessed against these Executives and their ENTIRE EXECUTIVE TEAM, AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

IF there is a Class Action, I'd like to see special rules for them to include a REDUCTION OF ATTORNEY FEE'S, strong and stern stipulation with caps set on billing habit and practices, where they also can have these cases either directed to Firms or what ever it takes, to ensure they don't stall out the system trying to inflate Attorney %'s. No more of this standard 30% plus additional fees. they get a flat 10% including the cost of fees !

We MUST fix our systems and the only way to maintain a capitalistic system, is to eliminate economic treasonous acts by the drive of avarice and greed.

We only need to lock up a few with the $100 million for Each named individual, and the rest will get the message, and if we need to go up on the $ amount of penalty, to included assessed punitive damages imposed upon each, then we can get their attention. When these penalties are assessed, there is a 6-9 month window to pay it, and then Immediate Asset Forfeiture is engaged. If they try to bury assets, then the fact is once the charge is made, each person has to declare their full list of Assets, and any assets found to be connected to them of which they did not claim, will be subject to "automatic" forfeiture for Fraud and Attempts to Commit Fraud.

We can use our same Legal System to stop the abuse of the Legal system by the Attorneys who engage in this theft by "processed graft through constructive fraudulent habit and practice"

Our Society is far smarter than it use to be, and we need to begin to use those smarts to rectify the system and protect the industry within America and its people.

We need to protect people who create business, and want to utilize the stock market as a means to gain resource for STABILITY, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGED GROWTH. We do that by putting controls on who is and what is a Board Member, No CEO can Sit on Any Board of Any Company, No company President can sit on the Board of any Company, and No CEO can be Chairman of any Board.

We need to change the Fiduciary Focus of CEO's, no more dedication to Stock Holders, the Dedication is to Running and Overseeing a quality standards functioning and performing company, not making decision based on a Stock Ticker. All Decision will be based on ACTUAL PRODUCTION AND ACTUAL SALES.... "PERIOD".

The stock market is full of speculators, therefore, if we limit the amount of % a company can make Public, then those who invest and play speculation do so at their own risk. The base value of the stock will be determined by the ACTUAL PERFORMANCE OF THE COMPANY, not what speculator drive up the fiction, and claim a company can trade at 300 times its ability to produce and sell.

The stock market was not set up to be a Casino, if people want to play Casino games, then go to a Casino, the Stock Market was set up for LONG TERM INVESTORS. We can further regulate this by imposing a Capital Gain Tax Increase on Day Traders. We also can put terms on how long an investor must hold a stock as a minimum, this will rule out the stock flippers, who do nothing but bleed off the stock and at the same time, feed the fantasy delusions of the Speculators.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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Yes let's sue to end the FDA and all the other alphabet agencies.
Please let's not go into Absurdity, it is because of these agencies that makes American the place it is where the average American can feel safe to eat, drink water, and function in this society as we do today.

I am not an Anti-Government Person, as I have a respect for what is governance and know that without regulatory governance, we'd be like any other undeveloped country and at risk for anything and everything we utilize.

Government has to cover a broad space.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 05:56 PM
 
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Wrong.




and




Epinephrine is literally $1 for 1mL. Its synthesis has been known for over 100 years. Epipens have 1/3 of 1 mL of epinephrine. It's quite baffling why any consumer is paying Mylan money for something they can have for $2 or less.
Not sure some one having an anaphylactic reaction is going to have the wherewithal to to fill a hypo then calmly inject themselves with it.
Any how Mylan raising the price of their product to such levels is heartless and greedy to those needing the product, however it is a consequence of the free market system, the possibility of instituting government price controls to combat such occurrences would be viewed as socialist by many.
 
Old 08-27-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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Not sure some one having an anaphylactic reaction is going to have the wherewithal to to fill a hypo then calmly inject themselves with it.
Any how Mylan raising the price of their product to such levels is heartless and greedy to those needing the product, however it is a consequence of the free market system, the possibility of instituting government price controls to combat such occurrences would be viewed as socialist by many.
No it's not a consequence of a free market system if it were a free market product it would have been brought to the market and developed with private money and it would not exist in a govt created monopoly absent competition
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