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There are regular American citizens who choose Islam. Are you going to take away their constitutional rights to choose and practice their faith?
Exactly. You either love the Constitution or you don't. It's that simple.
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Originally Posted by charlygal
Seriously, is anyone really feeling unsafe? If you are, then no President is going to change that.
People from Syria aren't the problem.
Some people think they will be safe with an authoritarian president, one who will throw all of those "others" out of the country and keep them out, outlaw undesired religions, and shut down any press that doesn't toe the party line. They sneer about the "nanny-state," when what they actually want is a dictator.
Those in Sandy Hook, the church in Charleston, PP in Colorado Springs, Roseburg, etc certainly had no expectation of facing the violence that took place in those locations.
Fortunately, we are more likely to be hit by a bolt of lightening than to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I don't know which is goofier. A POTUS who declines to say radical Islam or the people who think saying it makes any difference.
First of all, let's separate Islamic terrorism from those acts of violence that were not caused by Islamists (Muslims), because the focus of this thread is on the administrations failures where Islamic terrorism is concerned. Other acts of violence such as Sandy Hook are not the purview of the President. We have local law enforcement for local protection against domestic violence.
However, international terrorism (Islamic terrorism) is another matter and is the purview of the President. You many think you are more likely to be "hit by a bolt of lightning," but many people travel in their jobs (as I used to do ... I flew a lot, including internationally), and other people are concerned about the influx of Muslim immigrants in their neighborhoods. I read a news story recently about one young mother who was afraid to go out of her house, even to her front yard, because she and her neighbors had been subjected to Somali "refugees" terrorizing them, and threatening them with rape, etc, claiming they had the right to rape her.
This President's policies toward Islam and Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood have facilitated them in there strategy of "civilization jihad" which this President will not even admit exits.
And, yes, it does make a difference what we call it. Because not acknowledging the source and cause of the problem changes the paradigm on how we deal with it. For example, we must acknowledge that Al Qaeda's ideology is Muslim Brotherhood ideology. It is not a "radical form of Islam," it is Islam, and if you disagree with that, then you have some studying to do, because Islamic scholars like Robert Spencer would agree with me, and disagree with you.
The goal of Islam is world conquest and the destruction of Western civilization, and America, the United States, is considered to be the 'prize.' They have laid out their plan for the destruction of the United States (and published it - Brigitte Gabriel has a copy, which she quotes from in her lectures) and they are implementing that plan (civilization jihad) with the help of the U.S. government, especially the Obama administration and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who, if she becomes President, will continue those policies along with a few of her own.
And, part of the plan being implemented is the infiltration of the so-called "refugees" being brought into the United States by the thousands. It must be stopped.
If it doesn't happen in your neighborhood or to you, then it doesn't exist. If you feel you are safe, your family is safe, then it doesn't exist. Not picking on you, just showing the issue at hand which you have pointed out in your own message below.
49 people were killed a few miles from me by an ISIS sympathizer. I have personally met some of the survivors who were shot, some of the first responders. One woman we've spent time with was shot 7 times--7 times-- and is still alive. Just because it doesn't happen to you or hasn't affected you yet doesn't mean it's not happening.
If rape, murder, shooting by a refugee or ISIS sympathizer happens, does it mean it doesn't matter or didn't happen because it didn't happen to you?
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Originally Posted by NLVgal
I've been pretty safe. My family has been pretty safe. Did something bad happen to you, op?
This is pretty much the selling point for the GOP, you are not safe and they are the solution. They present these lies about violent crime on the increase but the statistics indicate otherwise.
You made the claim in your first paragraph by citing statistics that have noting to do with Islamic terrorism.
The invasion of Iraq is not the cause of destabilization in the Middle East. What we have today is entirely the result of Barack Obama's policies, from his Cairo address, where he gave approval of and formed an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood, the father of Hamas and Al Qaeda, to his too early withdrawal of our troops from Iraq (the timetable of which he conveniently gave to the enemy). Further the phony "Arab Spring," was the invention of Barack Obama.
You brought up 9/11 and planes flying into skyscrapers. And then when I thoroughly refute everything you said, you declare that's not what this thread is about????? LOL!!!!!
You lose big and you lie and run. Nice rightie!
No, I didn't bring up 9/11 Go back and read the thread from the start up until YOU mentioned 9/11. There is no point to rehashing all the details of 9/11, because the Left will always blame Bush. It's what suits their narrative, because he is a Republican.
If it doesn't happen in your neighborhood or to you, then it doesn't exist. If you feel you are safe, your family is safe, then it doesn't exist. Not picking on you, just showing the issue at hand which you have pointed out in your own message below.
49 people were killed a few miles from me by an ISIS sympathizer. I have personally met some of the survivors who were shot, some of the first responders. One woman we've spent time with was shot 7 times--7 times-- and is still alive. Just because it doesn't happen to you or hasn't affected you yet doesn't mean it's not happening.
If rape, murder, shooting by a refugee or ISIS sympathizer happens, does it mean it doesn't matter or didn't happen because it didn't happen to you?
I understand these events get peoples attention but statistically they are a small number compared to overall violence, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be concern. There were 212 murders in Miami-Dade County alone in 2014 so by comparison, some of those may have been gang related. The simplistic solution is just banning Muslims rather than address our violent history.
In some areas, people are afraid to step out on their streets because women have been openly harassed, threatened with rape or because of gangs with guns and none of it has anything to do with religion.
Way to side step the problem. I believe you do live in a cave.
The Obama Administration blocks communication between ICE and local law enforcement in border states. So a cop has no idea of the immigration status of a potential dangerous criminal illegal alien if he pulls them over. It's more important to Obama that illegal piece of trash stay in this country than the safety of that cop.
There are regular American citizens who choose Islam. Are you going to take away their constitutional rights to choose and practice their faith?
Seriously, is anyone really feeling unsafe? If you are, then no President is going to change that.
People from Syria aren't the problem.
Tell that to the citizens of Germany or France.
When ISIS says they are infiltrating the mobs of so-called 'refugees,' I take them seriously, and we have seen this to be true. Even the Boston Bombers were 'refugees.'
It is not a Constitutional right to practice a "religion" that has as one of it's tenets the destruction of the United States. That is Islam.
Our Constitution was not intended to force us to commit political suicide in the name of "freedom of religion."
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