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Old 10-05-2016, 06:16 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Because a camera will catch what two eyes will not?
A camera will also sometimes miss what two eyes will not.
But, more importantly, a body camera only shows a narrow range of images out from the perspective of the officer. It does not turn to capture what is most important, it only flows with a narrow preset frame based on how it is worn. This has always been a key criticism of dash cams, but it will become a stronger criticism of body cameras because they show very little of the actual actions of the officer. Instead, what they repeatedly shows is the actions of the people confronted by police officers, frequently in their own homes.

I would actually argue that the vast majority of the time it is the audio, not the video, of the body camera that is useful precisely because it does not show only one narrow perspective. Unfortunately, the audio is also the far greater invasion of privacy than the video.

 
Old 10-05-2016, 07:25 PM
 
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A camera will also sometimes miss what two eyes will not.
But, more importantly, a body camera only shows a narrow range of images out from the perspective of the officer. It does not turn to capture what is most important, it only flows with a narrow preset frame based on how it is worn. This has always been a key criticism of dash cams, but it will become a stronger criticism of body cameras because they show very little of the actual actions of the officer. Instead, what they repeatedly shows is the actions of the people confronted by police officers, frequently in their own homes.

I would actually argue that the vast majority of the time it is the audio, not the video, of the body camera that is useful precisely because it does not show only one narrow perspective. Unfortunately, the audio is also the far greater invasion of privacy than the video.
We wouldn't have got here if the cops would have quit lying and then getting away with it.
 
Old 10-05-2016, 07:52 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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We wouldn't have got here if the cops would have quit lying and then getting away with it.
I think it is far more complicated than that. It is much more about a degradation of the rights of the accused and a proliferation of laws making minor societal offenses illegal, sowing distrust.
Consider this though... body cameras are almost certainly more of a "punishment" for the people who interact with police officers than the police officers themselves. That is the hidden subtext of the much vaunted Rialto study: people stopped complaining about police officers out of fear that the cameras would be used against them.
So, we are punishing lying cops by further victimizing the people most affected by their lying?
 
Old 10-05-2016, 08:15 PM
 
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I think it is far more complicated than that. It is much more about a degradation of the rights of the accused and a proliferation of laws making minor societal offenses illegal, sowing distrust.
Yeah, no one is buying that.
 
Old 10-06-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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QUOTE=marigolds6;45724886]I think it is far more complicated than that. It is much more about a degradation of the rights of the accused and a proliferation of laws making minor societal offenses illegal, sowing distrust.
Yeah, no one is buying that.[/quote]

Here's some examples of people buying that on these forums, and I am sure you can find plenty more just by investigating public opinions on the war on drugs or public opinion on social order ordinances (noise, mowing grass, sagging pants), or even the use of police to raise revenue from traffic tickets.

LE abuse of power as they fight the failed war on drugs
The "War on Drugs" is a lie
Pot saves money
 
Old 10-06-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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Here's some examples of people buying that on these forums,
No it isn't.
 
Old 10-11-2016, 07:31 AM
 
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The main thing I want to point out here is how the officer just starts making up (false) reasons for having pulled the guy over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVfWbAn0Rno&sns=fb
 
Old 10-11-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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What’s past is prologue. And, looking ahead, that’s what makes Cody Grimes' status as a Des Moines police officer so worrisome.

Last month, Grimes fractured the ribs of 61-year-old Charles Young, who had summoned the police to his apartment for assistance with some unruly guests.

Officer Grimes has previously faced allegations of excessive force, and even been fired from the force, but the department’s position is that those problems have no bearing on the department’s review of Grimes’ conduct with Young.


Editorial: DM police officer has a pattern of misconduct

And people wonder why the people do not support the police in higher numbers than they do. This guy should have been gone a long time ago and yes, his past actions most certainly are relevant here. The police department is harming every single decent officer by continuing to support this "thug".
 
Old 10-12-2016, 02:11 PM
 
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The purpose here is to note that she had to resign from three police forces but was still hired again.

Langlais began her career with the Tarpon Springs Police Department in 2000, but resigned a year later after it was discovered that she was having a romantic relationship with a sergeant in her department.

She also got the Tarpon Springs Police Department sued after Langlais wrongfully arrested a man and had him sitting in jail for 39 days. The department eventually settled that lawsuit for $7,000.

In 2001 Langlais joined the Pinellas Park Police Department, but resigned in 2005 after she refused to end a high speed pursuit the way her supervisor instructed her to.


https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...%20Back%20Seat

She obviously had no business being a police officer.
 
Old 10-12-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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How many times does an officer have to get sued and have the taxpayers bail him out before the force pays attention?

Tuesday’s lawsuit stems from an incident in December 2015 when a homeless man named John Reyes asked the deputy to move his vehicle, which was blocking his path as he was walking with a bag of groceries, forcing him to have to walk onto the street.

The deputy refused to move the car and Reyes cursed at him.

That prompted Pfeifer to pepper spray, taser and then repeatedly beat him with his flashlight as he held Reyes’ face on the street with his boot.


https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...%20Settlements
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