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Old 03-16-2009, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I gather you've never heard of treaties or trade agreements... or noticed that Montana sits astride THE major northern-tier east-west commercial corridor for both rail and highway shipments.



Ya know, if Montana's taxes that are presently paid to the feds stayed home in Montana, Montana probably wouldn't NEED any federal subsidies. Remember every dollar that goes to Washington comes back reduced to about 60 cents, after overhead and waste, and it ALL comes out of OUR pockets one way or another. Federal money doesn't just magically appear from the air.
On it's face this doesn't hold up to scrutiny. I see three place where federal tax dollars can go -- domestic, foreign holders of US debt, foreign providers of defense services. It's pretty hard to come close to a 40% diversion rate. I suspect this is just ideology.

An even more serious misrepresentation is that somehow Montana pays it's own way. Actually Montana gets back $1.43 for every dollar of federal tax it pays. As a general proposition blue states support red states.

Table: Per Capita Ranking Federal Spending (http://www.nemw.org/fundsrank.htm - broken link)
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Old 03-16-2009, 08:50 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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On it's face this doesn't hold up to scrutiny. I see three place where federal tax dollars can go -- domestic, foreign holders of US debt, foreign providers of defense services. It's pretty hard to come close to a 40% diversion rate. I suspect this is just ideology.

An even more serious misrepresentation is that somehow Montana pays it's own way. Actually Montana gets back $1.43 for every dollar of federal tax it pays. As a general proposition blue states support red states.

Table: Per Capita Ranking Federal Spending (http://www.nemw.org/fundsrank.htm - broken link)
Most of that federal money goes to federal things like military bases. More major military installations are in red states than blue states.
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Old 03-16-2009, 09:02 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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This is not the past; this is the present.
Then they should have no problem doing it again.
No cable, no major manufacturing, no internet unless you're buying from an outside source, no infrastructure for that.
I'm assuming you'll stop using all services from outside area.
You are independent and can take care of all of your needs.

Perfect.
Again, good-bye.
I know many who'd actually be very happy to lose what you've listed and go back to the old days. The thing you're missing is we have our own resources and Montana based companies.
We'd just be treated as a soveriegn nation kind of like the Indian reservations when it came to what we don't have don't you think?
Just because someone doesn't "belong" to the U.S. doesn't mean they cease to exist or go back to the stone age! If that was the case then Canada and the rest of the world wouldn't exist right?
Nice try though I'd suggest you rethink...
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Old 03-16-2009, 09:09 AM
 
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I know many who'd actually be very happy to lose what you've listed and go back to the old days. The thing you're missing is we have our own resources and Montana based companies.
We'd just be treated as a soveriegn nation kind of like the Indian reservations when it came to what we don't have don't you think?
Just because someone doesn't "belong" to the U.S. doesn't mean they cease to exist or go back to the stone age! If that was the case then Canada and the rest of the world wouldn't exist right?
Nice try though I'd suggest you rethink...
Why wouldn't the Gummint treat Montana like it has treated Cuba for the last 50 years?
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Old 03-16-2009, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Most of that federal money goes to federal things like military bases. More major military installations are in red states than blue states.
You must have a point somewhere in this.
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Old 03-16-2009, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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You must have a point somewhere in this.
I believe the "point" YOU are missing is, there is a LOT of discontent among a lot of states - and many of these states are now OPENLY discussing leaving the Union. Again I stress - OPENLY discussing the possibility. Many of these states are now asking their citizens for input on the issue.

The People are not happy with Washington. They believe that Washington is ignoring them (the PEOPLE).

IMO, the 2010 elections will likely be indicative of how these states will go.
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Old 03-16-2009, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Montana
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Funny how you’ve only become disgusted in the past 8 weeks since a black president has been in office.
Where was your outrage during the BushCo years?
Way to assume something completely stupid. I don't care what color a person is.. Why do liberals instantly assume that because someone doesn't agree with you that they must be an ignorant racist redneck.

I don't discriminate, I dislike politicians equally!
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Old 03-16-2009, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I believe the "point" YOU are missing is, there is a LOT of discontent among a lot of states - and many of these states are now OPENLY discussing leaving the Union. Again I stress - OPENLY discussing the possibility. Many of these states are now asking their citizens for input on the issue.

The People are not happy with Washington. They believe that Washington is ignoring them (the PEOPLE).

IMO, the 2010 elections will likely be indicative of how these states will go.
LOL only on Internet chat boards where everybody gets to be a war hero. What we have is a bunch of Internet tough guys acting like they have influence. They don't.
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Old 03-16-2009, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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LOL only on Internet chat boards where everybody gets to be a war hero. What we have is a bunch of Internet tough guys acting like they have influence. They don't.
Actually, they do have influence

You can choose to bury your head in the sand and ignore the real world - but it does not change what is happening in that real world.

I was no war hero - just a grunt who got shot at a lot - and who in turn shot back.
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Old 03-16-2009, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Actually, they do have influence

You can choose to bury your head in the sand and ignore the real world - but it does not change what is happening in that real world.

I was no war hero - just a grunt who got shot at a lot - and who in turn shot back.
Right, they had a convention in 2006, 40 people came. LOL You have the silliest notions.
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