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Old 09-10-2016, 12:41 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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You're the one who said that junk. So yes, smack that head and hopefully come to your senses.

It is neither American nor indicative of good leadership to kiss an enemy dictator's ass, which is EXACTLY what Trump and his supporters have been doing.
Hey ambient, we think alike on this one. Obama's lips must be sore after kissing so much enemy Iranian dictator a$$, and then forking over a total of $1.7 billion ransom in exchange for four American prisoners.

Let's see you spin this one. I know you can. Give it a shot!
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Old 09-10-2016, 12:56 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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once again you COMPLETELY miss the point, either because it went over your head, or you are being obstinate.

putin stands up for what he believes regardless of what others think. when has obama done that? never really.
When he pushed through healthcare reform despite the opposition for people like you.

Or when he goes on international visits and bluntly confronts complexities of past American actions.

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putin does not apologize for his actions, or those of russia, past or present. when has obama stood up for the US? most often never. in fact obama goes to other countries an apologies for US actions even though they were justified. obama also stand up and insults the US regularly, and THAT is a sign of a WEAK leader.
Pretty much all bull****.

The other problem with people like you and Trump is that you equate thuggish authoritarian impulses with "strong leadership." Again, if you think that someone with quasi-dictatorial powers is to be admired in their style, then you're probably not really for America. And that's something Obama has NEVER done: suck Putin's ****.
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:00 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Hey ambient, we think alike on this one. Obama's lips must be sore after kissing so much enemy Iranian dictator a$$, and then forking over a total of $1.7 billion ransom in exchange for four American prisoners.

Let's see you spin this one. I know you can. Give it a shot!
Ok, sure.

It was a ransom, and it was a bad idea. I disagree with what he did.

Not what you expected?
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:40 AM
 
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When he pushed through healthcare reform despite the opposition for people like you.
he didnt push heath care reforms through congress, the democrats would have done that with or without him. all he did was sit on the sidelines and let a super majority do the work. and he and teh rest of the democrats basically told the republicans to sit down and shut up because they were driving the bus now.

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Or when he goes on international visits and bluntly confronts complexities of past American actions.
what obama did was go out and kiss the backsides of other leaders, and apologize for american greatness.

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The other problem with people like you and Trump is that you equate thuggish authoritarian impulses with "strong leadership." Again, if you think that someone with quasi-dictatorial powers is to be admired in their style, then you're probably not really for America. And that's something Obama has NEVER done: suck Putin's ****.
bull crap. once again you are blind to reality. you admire someone with no backbone(obama). carter was the same way. because of obamas actions during his term as president, we have lost the respect of our allies, and our enemies.
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Old 09-10-2016, 03:18 AM
 
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once again you COMPLETELY miss the point, either because it went over your head, or you are being obstinate.

putin stands up for what he believes regardless of what others think. when has obama done that? never really. putin does not apologize for his actions, or those of russia, past or present. when has obama stood up for the US? most often never. in fact obama goes to other countries an apologies for US actions even though they were justified. obama also stand up and insults the US regularly, and THAT is a sign of a WEAK leader.

Exactly WHEN and WHERE has Obama Insulted the United States? Back up your statement with true examples, not crazy assertions.
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Old 09-10-2016, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I would much rather have a President that will get along with the Russian President who holds the largest competing nuclear arsenal in the world than one that will initiate a global nuclear war....what's that going to do to Climate Change?
Exactly! Plus, its good to have an ALLY that borders China.

Of course, Giggles the socialist would rather pal around with Chavez, Maduro, and Castro
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Old 09-10-2016, 05:19 AM
 
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OP has it wrong. Nada about defending a foreign leader. Everything about free speech, in a still free country. Critiquing, comparing and contrasting our leader to another is the right and proper role for the loyal opposition.
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Old 09-10-2016, 05:21 AM
 
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So let me get this straight.

Obama is a weak leader, Putin is strong...but now you want Trump to "make nice" with Putin? And you think THAT is strong leadership? Kissing Putin's ass?

Have you thought through any of that verbal dribble? Christ, if this is how Trump actually thinks, then we're in for a world of **** if he gets in office and starts really puckering up to that dictator.
I want our leadership to try and get along with all world leaders. That is who Obama claimed he was going to be. We now see his is not.
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Old 09-10-2016, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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I have no issue of being a friend to Russia. I think it will be a win-win. The cold war has been over for quite some time, for those that can't keep up.

In the war against ISIS, ISIS having set itself up throughout cities in the world, people need to remember who the enemy is.

If it were Hillary that was in Trump's place, those that follow the trail of horse poopy that Hillary leaves for them would be cheering her as being diplomatic. Putin and I have one thing in common, we can't stand Hillary! Shows me he is a lot more on the ball than many US citizens!

As we know, when it meant money in their pocket, the Clintons were a friend to Russia. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us...pany.html?_r=0 As we know, the Clinton Foundation is a money laundering operation for the Clinton Crime Family.

So, I think it is time that world leaders unite and Putin will be a good enough start to get the ball rolling.
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Old 09-10-2016, 05:49 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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When you are a quasi-dictator with sweeping powers to silence and even murder your critics, it's kinda easy to be a branded a "strong leader."

You can say the same thing of Kim Jong Dip**** over in North Korea. He's a Strong Leader! His countrymen and women do exactly what he says, and he never acknowledges any criticisms either.

Think about that next time you get off all over Putin. The hell is wrong with some of you people? Now you're fawning all over a figure whose leadership style is in violent conflict with the kinds of Constitutional values you claim to support? You're not serious people. And kissing this guy's ass is not "strong leadership."

That is all.
Dude, calm down. You first sentence could describe the Clintons!
You must have some particular reason for your portrayal of Putin. Is "kinda" a word?
I don't think he's necessarily an upstanding guy, but am quite sure he's easier to deal with than some Asian or Middle Eastern dictators. It's all a matter of degree.
Other than that I think you are disappointed in the man you voted for, for President.
He's proven to be weak in dealing with world leaders, and contrary to the sales pitch we were given, our relationship with our allies has deteriorated since Barry was put in charge.
Vote Trump!
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