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Old 09-10-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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When you are a quasi-dictator with sweeping powers to silence and even murder your critics, it's kinda easy to be a branded a "strong leader."

You can say the same thing of Kim Jong Dip**** over in North Korea. He's a Strong Leader! His countrymen and women do exactly what he says, and he never acknowledges any criticisms either.

Think about that next time you get off all over Putin. The hell is wrong with some of you people? Now you're fawning all over a figure whose leadership style is in violent conflict with the kinds of Constitutional values you claim to support? You're not serious people. And kissing this guy's ass is not "strong leadership."

That is all.
"Conservatives are now in the awkward position of defending and supporting Putin"

I do NOT agree with your premise.

Putin is a MUCH BETTER leader then Obama.

That does NOT mean we agree with his actions.

he IS good for russia, ot so much the rst of the world.

I do find the hypocrisy in this issue.

SevERaL yeaRS ago the video of Obama and the Russian ambassador were caught on video and Obama says, After the election can do LOT OF OTHER THINGS TOGETHER.

Then there is Hillary with her 'reset" button with Russia.

Why was it OK for Obama and Hillary to "make nice" with Putin and NOT Trump?

DO you think you can get compromises by thrashing your opponent or by "buttering up" to them?

"You can get more bees with honey then vinegar".



"That is all'!
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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State leaders have to play together , they have to talk and make nice while doing what is right for their own country

Pure and simple. Regardless of which party

I reject your premise
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Conservatives are now in the awkward position of defending and supporting Putin

This is nothing new.

For years, the rabid right has worshiped Putin because like them, he hates Obama.

So, the commie KGB dwarf is allied with America's "patriotic" far right fever swamp.

BFF

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Old 09-10-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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When he pushed through healthcare reform despite the opposition for people like you.
Or when he goes on international visits and bluntly confronts complexities of past American actions.
Pretty much all bull****.
The other problem with people like you and Trump is that you equate thuggish authoritarian impulses with "strong leadership." Again, if you think that someone with quasi-dictatorial powers is to be admired in their style, then you're probably not really for America. And that's something Obama has NEVER done: suck Putin's ****.
It perfectly clear that you live on an entirely different planet than the rest of us do.. I'm guessing the fact that you are a democrat has something to do with your views, always on the wrong side of every issue..
His healthcare he pushed through, despite objections from those who knew it was an unworkable scam, has turned out to be, as predicted, a complete and total failure which is soon to be completely overturned.
He goes on international visits and makes a fool of himself, bowing and scraping and apologizing for everything, he is an effeminate little pu$$y, not a man or a leader.
Trump is a man and a leader, he success are legendary, he won't be apologizing to other leaders, he will be respected by them. obama is the laugh-stock of the world. China disrespected him just this week, the president of the Philippines called him, rightfully so, a Son of a biotch, no one respects him. He is a corrupt and weak little man.
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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Exactly WHEN and WHERE has Obama Insulted the United States? Back up your statement with true examples, not crazy assertions.
You might want to pick up a newspaper some time, he does it evertime he leaves the country. Example just this week In Laos, Obama Repeatedly Calls Americans 'Lazy'.
This is the most recent and only one of many times he has insulted America/Americans when traveling to other countries.
He has spend eight years attempting to bring America to her knees.
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Old 09-10-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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Gee, just four years ago Romney said Russia is our greatest foe. And before that conservatives sang the praises of Reagan for winning the cold war against Russia. Now Trump aligns himself with Putin, makes remarks suggesting he will weaken NATO, and the conservatives fall over themselves defending Trump. Conservatives are inconsistent with themselves here.
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Old 09-10-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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"Conservatives are now in the awkward position of defending and supporting Putin"

I do NOT agree with your premise.

Putin is a MUCH BETTER leader then Obama.

That does NOT mean we agree with his actions.

he IS good for russia, ot so much the rst of the world.

I do find the hypocrisy in this issue.

SevERaL yeaRS ago the video of Obama and the Russian ambassador were caught on video and Obama says, After the election can do LOT OF OTHER THINGS TOGETHER.

Then there is Hillary with her 'reset" button with Russia.

Why was it OK for Obama and Hillary to "make nice" with Putin and NOT Trump?

DO you think you can get compromises by thrashing your opponent or by "buttering up" to them?

"You can get more bees with honey then vinegar".



"That is all'!
Conservative archetype #1: "we want strong leader who is going to stand up to aggressors and make the world respect America."

Conservative archetype #2: "we want a leader who is going to play nice and 'butter up' the aggressors."

Please reconcile the logic of these two statements.
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Old 09-10-2016, 11:34 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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he didnt push heath care reforms through congress, the democrats would have done that with or without him. all he did was sit on the sidelines and let a super majority do the work. and he and teh rest of the democrats basically told the republicans to sit down and shut up because they were driving the bus now.
Ok, so the President now has nothing to do with policy that gets passed. Very convenient revisionist history. I'll remember that when the next Republican President is on the clock.

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what obama did was go out and kiss the backsides of other leaders, and apologize for american greatness.
Not really.

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hbull crap. once again you are blind to reality. you admire someone with no backbone(obama). carter was the same way. because of obamas actions during his term as president, we have lost the respect of our allies, and our enemies.
I'm not sure how Russia is going to respect us because of Trump's continuously flattering comments of an aggressor like Putin. I think Putin sees him as a sucker and can't wait to see him in office.
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Old 09-10-2016, 11:35 AM
 
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Maybe not inconsistent but more tired of it and the old way of thinking. Maybe doubtful that the old threat is the current or future threat.

and I for one would rather work with a strongman to solve a common problem, such as ISIS; than spit in the face of the strongman ruler while ISIS runs rings around us all.

Time enough to sort the rest out after terrorism is defeated, contained, or returned to the stone age.
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Old 09-10-2016, 11:38 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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and I for one would rather work with a strongman to solve a common problem, such as ISIS; than spit in the face of the strongman ruler while ISIS runs rings around us all.
Ok, good enough - but if Obama were to take this stance, then it's "oh, he's being WEAK - he's not standing up to America's adversaries!"

How do you guys go from "we want a strong leader who will stand up" when it comes to Obama to "well, actually, we're really into the compromise and get along thing" when it comes to Trump?

My point is not even that Obama is a particularly strong international leader; he's not the strongest. My main point is that you people have two conflicting standards going on.
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