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Old 09-21-2016, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I sure hope so. I would love to see the EPA's excessive regulatory strangulation of the economy come to an end.
Won't happen. Once an agency is created, they never go away. What happens instead is, over time, one can get combined with another, or they get cut to the bone for a while, but as soon as the need arises, and it always does, the cutting ends in an instant.

The only time they disappear for good is when one becomes obsolescent. That's pretty darned rare.

The EPA was created at a time when the Monongahela River tended to catch fire regularly because it was so polluted. The river no longer catches fire, but there's still plenty of stuff that poisons us, and the folks who complain about the EPA are often the quickest to holler when an oil line bursts, or another toxic dump is discovered, or anything else that can make us real sick or kill us.

Then, it's always the EPA who is called on to be Johnny On The Spot.

Most of our Agencies are like that. it's the way we do things here.
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Old 09-21-2016, 02:17 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Yes I think he would. Republicans aren't fans of clean air, water or food.





Last year the Obama administration granted oil giant BP a special exemption from a legal requirement that it produce a detailed environmental impact study on the possible effects of its Deepwater Horizon drilling operation in the Gulf of Mexico, an article Wednesday in the Washington Post reveals.


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/05/gulf-m06.html
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Old 09-21-2016, 04:48 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I have a client, a high tech nerd, who must fly into Beijing to oversee an operation there, occasionally, and he says the masks are worthless, so he uses a respirator, when there, and insists on an air-purifier for his hotel room as well. And even then, there's times he gets to the Beijing Airport with congested lungs!

New Delhi has now replaced Beijing with even more putrid air to breathe, 600,000 dying every year in India due to air pollution.

L.A. has finally reduced their Red Alert Days from 200, in the year 2000, to 100 today, so let's keep reducing those Red Alert Days, whatever the cost!

And, it's reported that 30% of the air pollution in California today is directly tied to the air pollution that drifts across the Pacific from China!
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:22 AM
 
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Last year the Obama administration granted oil giant BP a special exemption from a legal requirement that it produce a detailed environmental impact study on the possible effects of its Deepwater Horizon drilling operation in the Gulf of Mexico, an article Wednesday in the Washington Post reveals.


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/05/gulf-m06.html
The article is from 2010, but it reflects how business works in Washington D.C. -- it's all about Pay to Play.
Total incompetence from the Interior Department - in fact from many reports. I read these IG Reports all the time, they just get shoved in a drawer because nobody wants to tackle the BIG JOB of cleaning it up.

Federal documents show that the Department of the Interior's Minerals Management Service (MMS) gave BP a "categorical exclusion" on April 6, 2009 to commence drilling with Deepwater Horizon even though it had not produced the impact study required by a law known as the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA).

The MMS is, even by the standards of Washington, openly in the embrace of the oil industry. A September 2008, Inspector General's report revealed that MMS regulators had for years accepted gifts and money—and even drugs and sex—from the same oil industry executives they were ostensibly tasked with monitoring. The Obama administration's rubber-stamping of "self-regulation" for the oil industry makes clear that while the top political appointees at MMS have changed since the Bush years, the policies have not.


After the Deep Water Horizon, it was one lawsuit after another - I lost track of the Billions of dollars that the Obama Administration sued for. NONE of that money went back to the States, businesses and towns that were impacted ...... it all disappeared into a Slush Fund of some sort.

Same sort of thing happens with the EPA. The Corruption across these Federal Agencies is stunning and the people involved are often the Career Federal Employees - they remain with all Administrations. They can't be fired -- we have to fix this stuff.
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I sure hope so. I would love to see the EPA's excessive regulatory strangulation of the economy come to an end.
Yes he should disband the EPA and revoke the Clean Air & Clean Water Acts, we don't need either they are destroying our country
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:47 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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No chance. He won't touch the place, and everyone knows it.
He won't touch what place?
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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You don't think "saving the planet" is a cash hog? I have a relative who is a multi-millionaire lawyer thanks to the EPA. The regulations alone are so complex that businesses are willing to pay lawyers out the nose to decyper them and help get them under regs. It's disastrous for businesses which is a major reason manufacturing is fleeing to countries that don't have them.
Yup. My sister is a lawyer who specializes in water rights and she has an extremely lucrative career advising all sorts of entities, from companies to townships to counties, on the vagaries of the EPA. She said bureaucrats spend way to much time writing bad regulations, many that often conflict, and she has to work with a team of lawyers trying to make sense of what the laws require so she can advise her clients.

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Old 09-21-2016, 08:24 AM
 
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The EPA has become a rogue agency with enviro-wackos running the agency without oversight.
You should see the buildings they occupy in Washington.
They make their own regulations without public comment, and are as abusive as the IRS.
While we're at it we should disband the Dept. Of Education. Return decision-making back to the States.
Any disagreement?
The EPA should only have an advisory role. They should not be allowed to write any regulations. Anything they propose should be voted on by the people. The same with the Dept of Education.
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Old 09-21-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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Very Miss leading Liberals have a tendency to fib a bit. How does the EPA of the US have anything to doe with China, Matter of fact the Asians in general do not care about the Environment. Indian recently got up on left because they are not interested.


EPA that has boundaries and a scope that balances protection vs. development.
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Actually I think the DOD can cut and focus in what is really need by our Arm Forces. Contracts can be looked at more closely . What Kills the Budget is for example, the Air force escalates the cost of the F-22 Raptor, because they wish to change out the packages that the AC operate with.


We can applies this to the Army and the Navy!


Run over modification is what is costing us as tax payers.


Bottom Line all departments and Agencies need to review the budgets. There is a Gov. site that list departments and agencies. It is actually mind blowing how many there is.


I bet you a Lotto Ticket a outside audit could delete of combine 50% of these agencies.
You may be right. I just responded to the example you provided of employees watching porn on the job as a reason to downsize, dissolve, cut or eliminate the EPA. The waste of this entire agency is negligible when compared to the defense department. Due to secrecy, the public is not aware of the magnitude of waste, inefficiency, etc etc, that is linked to the DoD. However, we both have to admit that defense is necessary and so is the EPA.
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