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just because you can link to a story doesn't change anything. if the police wait as long as you want them to, its too late.
I fully agree that de-escalation training is vital. I fully agree that police departments have gone to a more aggressive stance and trained their officers in a direction that leads to more confrontation.
I know that in department that train in de-escalation, they have better results with fewer violent confrontations.
It also leads to less crime and greater trust in the communities where criminal activity is highest.
Further, I believe THIS is the real issue and needs to be the focus of attention.
I noted long ago that people were being bused in. I also noted that I do not support those who get bused in that commit violence BUT I also understand that this is not just about Charlotte.
if you support Progressive organizations bussing in PAID protestors at all, then you are on the wrong side of the issue.
They aren't doing this out of a since of injustice. they are doing this to insure black people vote for Hillary. period.
The video does not prove if there was a gun or not. It is clear that the police felt he had a gun (keep shouting at him to drop the weapon) and it is also clear the wife did not believe he had a gun (she calmly said he was not armed). Secondly the wife said he had TBI and her lawyer said the victim seemed confused when he exited the truck which make one wonder what was his mindset when get got of the truck. Sounds to me he was confused individual and clearly did not understand what was going on. I'm not saying who was wrong or who was right but I can see both sides of the story here. This shooting is starting to sound like a tragic accident to me. For me the focus now is can they trace the gun. Were does that trail lead and were does it end.
just because you can link to a story doesn't change anything. if the police wait as long as you want them to, its too late.
I fully agree that de-escalation training is vital. I fully agree that police departments have gone to a more aggressive stance and trained their officers in a direction that leads to more confrontation.
In the big picture this is what I'm saying. Four officers standing with their guns pointed at a distraught individuals only escalates the situation.
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I know that in department that train in de-escalation, they have better results with fewer violent confrontations.
It also leads to less crime and greater trust in the communities where criminal activity is highest.
Further, I believe THIS is the real issue and needs to be the focus of attention.
I believe we are failing in our training. I've even said that if the result of better training is higher paid officers, I support that.
just because you can link to a story doesn't change anything. if the police wait as long as you want them to, its too late.
I fully agree that de-escalation training is vital. I fully agree that police departments have gone to a more aggressive stance and trained their officers in a direction that leads to more confrontation.
I know that in department that train in de-escalation, they have better results with fewer violent confrontations.
It also leads to less crime and greater trust in the communities where criminal activity is highest.
Further, I believe THIS is the real issue and needs to be the focus of attention.
I agree with this. The issue here for me is if de-escalation procedures should have been used. Was he a immediate threat to himself or others. Should they have considered the wife's comments and backed off. There are alot of if's and maybes in this case.
This actually says a lot. Did you feel the same when people came from outside the area to support Bundy?
It's backfiring if that was their goal and people's lives are far more important than a stupid election anyway.
Every single person who came to support the Bundies were idiots. I said that on this forum. THEN.
It is an injustice to everyone when some super rich people PAY protestors to shape political thinking. that's evil if you ask me. I don't care who the payer is.
For certain groups in the USA, ISIS is less of a problem than the militarized and murderous police. What good is all that training in de-escalation when cops have one mission: engage and kill.
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