Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-24-2016, 10:37 AM
 
9,639 posts, read 5,979,558 times
Reputation: 8567

Advertisements

He vetoed it because passing it would open the U.S. up to hundreds of thousands of lawsuits that could be filed against it.

If Congress really cared about doing something they'd actually do something at their level, like cut military aid.

It's all grandstanding to make it seem like they've done something when they really haven't.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-24-2016, 10:38 AM
 
10,924 posts, read 21,892,678 times
Reputation: 10567
Quote:
Originally Posted by natalie469 View Post
Does that mean other countries can sue us if some of our citizens kill people in their countries.
IF? The US has caused a lot of collateral damage over the years. If we can sue other countries it's only fair that they can sue us. Not a good idea I don't think. I rarely agree with barry, but in this case...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-24-2016, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
23,856 posts, read 13,630,363 times
Reputation: 15476
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma777 View Post
The veto is the right thing for him to do. He knew it would be overridden. He can do it because he doesn't have to worry about being reelected. It's really just a feel-good bill for those sympathetic to 9/11 families. It makes no sense in the long run. We need Saudi Arabia to assist in fighting ISIS.
And I believe it runs against international treaties and agreements to which the US is a signer. As titular head of the US, he just about HAS to veto it.

Nevertheless, I too would like to see the saudis held at least somewhat accountable for al qaeda.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma777 View Post
This is one of those bills that will come back to bite Congress in the butt. It is a stupid precedent.

"...Mr. Obama argues that the measure would overturn longstanding principles of international law that shield governments from lawsuits, potentially opening the United States to a raft of litigation in foreign countries... the bill would prompt other nations to retaliate, stripping the immunity the United States enjoys in other parts of the world. "And no country has more to lose, in the context of those exceptions, than the United States of America, given the preeminent role that we play in global affairs..."

“...potentially opens up U.S. service members, and diplomats and even companies to spurious lawsuits in kangaroo courts around the world,”... He acknowledged that the stance was “politically inconvenient,” given the strong sympathy that exists for the families of the victims..."
It's a tricky balancing act for sure, but I think the US should also be held at least somewhat accountable for our foreign policy. I think you're right that some of the folks clamoring to open this door will be mightily incensed when the stuff comes flying back in at them. But - I have to admit I'd like to see it...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-28-2016, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island
56,904 posts, read 25,835,547 times
Reputation: 15445
It appears that the senate will override the presidents veto, today and the house vote is tomorrow. This is a very short sighted bill and will cause the US some problems with other countries when they reciprocate in kind.


Quote:
As part of its final bit of business before the election, Congress is set to vote to override President Obama’s veto of a bill allowing families of those killed in the Sept. 11 attacks to sue Saudi Arabia for any role in the terrorist plot.
The override, the first Mr. Obama has faced in his presidency, is expected to begin in the Senate on Wednesday, followed by the House on Thursday.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/us...abia.html?_r=0
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-28-2016, 07:00 AM
 
Location: NC
5,129 posts, read 2,578,090 times
Reputation: 2398
It can still become law despite this clowns attempt to stonewall.

Article I, Section 7 of the constitution.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-28-2016, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island
56,904 posts, read 25,835,547 times
Reputation: 15445
Quote:
Originally Posted by tripleh View Post
It can still become law despite this clowns attempt to stonewall.

Article I, Section 7 of the constitution.
Yes we know I take it you feel this is a good idea, have the congressmen thought this through? I wonder if it wasn't an election year would they still override. First time he used the veto by the way and that does not amount to stonewalling.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2016, 12:53 PM
 
8,924 posts, read 5,580,368 times
Reputation: 12558
If we can sue them they can sue us. Remember, they have a lot of money... Lawyers aren't cheap...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top