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Old 01-22-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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I have no doubt that your brain aches trying to come up with these convoluted arguments.

Yes, there was a clear majority in the last election. Three million more voted for Clinton.

There was also a clear majority in the Brexit vote.

Whether the majority would still vote for Brexit knowing what they know now is anybody's guess. But the fear is that they would not, so Leavers are demanding that another vote not be taken.

From what I've read, most are just tired of the whole business and want Brexit to proceed and let the chips fall where they may.

Seems like as good a plan as any these days.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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I have no doubt that your brain aches trying to come up with these convoluted arguments.

Yes, there was a clear majority in the last election. Three million more voted for Clinton.

There was also a clear majority in the Brexit vote.

Whether the majority would still vote for Brexit knowing what they know now is anybody's guess. But the fear is that they would not, so Leavers are demanding that another vote not be taken.

From what I've read, most are just tired of the whole business and want Brexit to proceed and let the chips fall where they may.

Seems like as good a plan as any these days.
Clinton never had a majority, you know what a majority is don't you? She had a plurality (the largest subset) but not the majority (50%+1)

My brain aches?

Hey smart lad you're discussing a topic you were ignorant that it would take at least 2 years to leave, because that's the process. Yet you want to try to school me, and other Brits what's best for us?

Arrogant much?

You know what they say about that combination don't you?
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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British politicians may want to keep an eye on what is going on in France. Today President Macron issued a statement insisting that he would not follow Louis XVI to the guillotine. How reassuring is that?
French President Macron vows not to follow Louis XVI to the guillotine

VERSAILLES, France (Reuters) - President Emmanuel Macron told dozens of the world’s most powerful executives on Monday that he would not follow the path of guillotined French royals and would continue to reform the French economy despite a sometimes violent popular revolt.

For the second year running, Macron hosted corporate A-listers like Microsoft Chief Executive Satya Nadella, Snapchat’s Evan Spiegel and JPMorgan Chase & Co CEO Jamie Dimon at a pre-Davos dinner at Versailles.

Exactly 226 years after the decapitation of Louis XVI, who failed to plug the crown’s dismal finances and quell popular discontent over a sclerotic feudal society, Macron started his speech by invoking the king and his wife Marie-Antoinette. “If they met such an end, it is because they had given up on reforming,” Macron told the guests, according to his office.

Of course in the UK, the reforms that have been agreed upon with the population (the same root word as populists) through a national referendum are for the UK to leave the EU in no uncertain terms.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:49 PM
 
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The UK has secured its first post-Brexit trade deal, according to International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.

The lucky country is Israel. No doubt this will be the first of many, and we can expect a virtual scrum in front of the UK Trade office by countries to secure the next best place in line.
Brexit BEGINS: Liam Fox reveals FIRST new trade deal SECURED

International Trade Secretary Liam Fox has revealed Britain has secured a first Brexit trade deal - a huge boost to Prime Minister Theresa May as the UK prepares to leave the EU and its restrictive trade limitations.

Speaking at the forum, Mr Fox said: “As Britain prepares to leave the European Union and to ensure continuity for our businesses in both directions, we’ve reached agreement in principle today with our colleagues in Israel.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:59 PM
 
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Whatever the Euro countries decide to do with regards to the EU is their business.

I have personally long expected the demise of the EU for no other reason than that some of the member countries have to shoulder a disproportionate part of the bill for countries that have violated agreements as to spending and so forth despite SHARING THE SAME CURRENCY.

Sorry, but the EU is like a group of mates that decide to rent out a house together but some of them are always short on the rent and have friends crash on the couch for weeks at a time. Eventually somebody is going to move out and it's typically the guy getting the short end of the arrangement.
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Old 01-23-2019, 03:01 PM
 
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Whatever the Euro countries decide to do with regards to the EU is their business.

I have personally long expected the demise of the EU for no other reason than that some of the member countries have to shoulder a disproportionate part of the bill for countries that have violated agreements as to spending and so forth despite SHARING THE SAME CURRENCY.

Sorry, but the EU is like a group of mates that decide to rent out a house together but some of them are always short on the rent and have friends crash on the couch for weeks at a time. Eventually somebody is going to move out and it's typically the guy getting the short end of the arrangement.
One of the ones with the money, without whose contributions the communal living arrangement eventually cease.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The UK has secured its first post-Brexit trade deal, according to International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.

The lucky country is Israel. No doubt this will be the first of many, and we can expect a virtual scrum in front of the UK Trade office by countries to secure the next best place in line.
Brexit BEGINS: Liam Fox reveals FIRST new trade deal SECURED

International Trade Secretary Liam Fox has revealed Britain has secured a first Brexit trade deal - a huge boost to Prime Minister Theresa May as the UK prepares to leave the EU and its restrictive trade limitations.

Speaking at the forum, Mr Fox said: “As Britain prepares to leave the European Union and to ensure continuity for our businesses in both directions, we’ve reached agreement in principle today with our colleagues in Israel.
Status of other free trade agreements:

With Canada: Is brexit the beginning of the end of the UK? (post #1869)

With other non EU countries: Is brexit the beginning of the end of the UK? (post #1873)
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Old 01-23-2019, 07:34 PM
 
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One of the ones with the money, without whose contributions the communal living arrangement eventually cease.
Yeah, I suspect that the UK will do just fine. There is A LOT of propaganda out there, typically from some of the countries trying to sponge off the EU or else risk total economic collapse and the UK leaving threatens that.

But again, not my circus....not my monkeys. That's for them to decide.
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Old 01-27-2019, 12:42 PM
 
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It looks like the Tories have hired an attorney to help "de-select" MP's who are remainers at the next election.

Quote:
Tories call in top lawyer to boot out Remainer MPs

The Campaign for Conservative Democracy confirmed it was establishing a legal fund for Tory associations across the UK to support association officers who want to hold their MPs to account. The move means that Remainer MPs including Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield), Heidi Allen (South Cambridgeshire), Antoinette Sandbach (Eddisbury), Anna Soubry (Broxtowe), Sarah Wollaston (Totnes), Nick Boles (Grantham), Sam Gyimah (East Surrey), Nicky Morgan (Loughborough), Phillip Lee (Bracknell) and Justine Greening (Putney) are under threat from being booted out by their associations.
From over on this side of the pond, this appears to be a very aggressive form of accountability for Tory Remainer MP's. This issue apparently comes up because MP's are put on a list by the party, if I understand correctly, and there has to be a way to get them off of the party list, if they are supporting an agenda that is contrary to what their constituents want.
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Old 01-28-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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So the UK House of Commons will vote tomorrow on a number of "Amendments" that could influence the process of Brexit going forward, as there are now 60 days until Brexit.

This is interesting however, as these "Amendments" do not appear to be binding on the government. So question #1 is which "Amendments" will pass, if any? Question #2 is what does Theresa May's government decide to do if any of these "Amendments" pass?

It appears that the "Amendment" most likely to pass is the 'No to no deal' amendment. Here is a quote from an article that discusses that amendment, with more discussion of the other "Amendments" at the link:
Theresa May faces a ‘Super Tuesday’ showdown in the Commons as MPs compete to stamp their mark on the course of Brexit.

No to no deal

Spelman-Dromey amendment

Tabled by Tory Dame Caroline Spelman and Labour’s Jack Dromey and rules out a no-deal Brexit.

Support: 129 MPs have put their names to it, including 10 Tories, among them former minister Nicky Morgan. More than 220 MPs have also written a public letter to say they do not support a no deal.

Will it pass? This could be one to watch as so many MPs have indicated support for taking no deal off the table. But less damaging to May, as not legally binding.

I hope this does not pass. But if it does, it appears to me that Theresa May must decide that this will lead to "No Brexit" and that the will of the people in the Brexit Referendum must be respected over this non-binding "Amendment" vote.
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