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Old 09-30-2016, 10:40 AM
 
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Thank you for your informative posts on this subject. I have read each one with great interest. I haven't commented before, because I have talked about this subject until I am blue in the face elsewhere......

We are slowly making our way to the exit door of the EU. They are still coming at us with the occasional threat, but seem to be calming down somewhat. The leader in Scotland is yapping like a little dog about it, but we pay her no heed. The people who really matter in all this are the English. We form the vast majority of the UK, and we voted by a good margin to leave.

In the long term, I feel the EU needs us, more than we need them. It sells vast amounts of goods in my country. If they want a tariff war, then bring it on. We had to leave, becaude the EU wouldn't listen to our concerns about unfettered immigration.

The very much ex Prime Minister was stupid enough to give us a vote. Well, he got the wrong result from that, and is quitting politics. The new PM Theresa May knows very well the levels of anger and frustration within England, and whether some folks wants to believe it or not, we are leaving the EU.
Your PM was not listening to the people, like Angela Merkel isn't listening to the people. The Brexit was vote all over the media and said you would vote to stay and the U.S. stock market climbed to record levels. After you voted to leave the U.S. stock market plummeted and the liberal media was peddling the end of days. They were wrong on both accounts. Then they were peddling the UK demise. There will be struggles and some here will take pleasure in your struggles pointing to say you should have stayed. But it's divorcing from a bad marriage, divorcing is not fun but in the end it's much better. I just hope the people in the U.S are as smart.

The left here wants let anyone come here including people from war torn countries even though there is no way of vetting them. They ignore what is happening in Europe and ignore that there are people who will kill Americans, just hope your not in the wrong place at the wrong time. Not one of those people who were murdered thought it would be them. For awhile our leaders were calling attacks on the people work place violence, they're not able to get away with as much.

Yes the EU needs you (and Germany) more than you need them. You've survived how long before joining the EU? They need you to bail out poor countries. People here don't understand that even our poor here are better off than many in other countries. Guess what will happen... hint.. "tax the rich".

Think about who EU really want to win in our election and why.
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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It is said that we are voting for a form of Brexit. A vote for Hillary is to vote to stay and a vote for Trump is to vote for change.
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Old 10-02-2016, 05:28 AM
 
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At last. We voted for it, and it IS going to happen. We are leaving this rotten at the core little club......


Brexit: PM to trigger Article 50 by end of March - BBC News
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Old 10-02-2016, 06:16 AM
 
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At last. We voted for it, and it IS going to happen. We are leaving this rotten at the core little club......


Brexit: PM to trigger Article 50 by end of March - BBC News
Yep. I just came to post about the same thing.

Today at the Conservative party annual conference, UK PM Theresa May has announced that Article 50 will be triggered before the end of March 2017.

She also announced that a "great repeal bill" will be passed, that will remove the UK from EU laws by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, the law that binds EU law to the British statute book. It will also make all current EU laws domestic laws effective on the formal date that the UK leaves the EU. From there, laws can be passed by the parliament adjusting or repealing those laws however they see fit.

This is it, guys. It's on.

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Brexit: Theresa May to trigger article 50 by end of March 2017

Theresa May has confirmed she will trigger article 50 before the end of March 2017, setting in motion the two-year process of leaving the European Union. The pledge by the prime minister means the UK will leave the EU by spring 2019, before the next general election, with the prime minister also announcing plans for a “great repeal bill” to incorporate all EU regulations in UK law as soon as Brexit takes effect.

In opening speeches at Conservative party conference in Birmingham, May and the Brexit secretary, David Davis, will announce the government’s plan to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act, the law that binds EU law to the British statute book, and new legislation to transpose EU legislation into British law, in its entirety, That law will only come into force on the day Britain leaves the EU, with future governments then able to unpick those laws as desired.

The repeal bill will also mean rulings by the European court of justice will stop applying to the UK,and include powers to make changes to the laws originating from the EU, using secondary legislation as negotiations over the UK’s future relationship proceed. “It’s very simple. At the moment we leave, Britain must be back in control. And that means EU law must cease to apply. To ensure continuity, we will take a simple approach. EU law will be transposed into domestic law, wherever practical, on exit day. It will be for elected politicians here to make the changes to reflect the outcome of our negotiation and our exit.

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Old 10-02-2016, 08:23 AM
 
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Today Hungary, a member of the EU, is holding a referendum on whether to allow the EU to mandate quotas for the resettlement of refugees (primarily illegal immigrants) into Hungary. Suffice it to say, a "No" vote would be a direct contradiction of EU law, which Hungary has also agreed to be ruled by. So this would create an apparent conundrum.

In fact, Hungary has refused to take refugees into its country for many months now and has built a fence to protect itself from what it regards as a virtual invasion of its territory by people who in far too many cases do not have Hungary's best interests at heart. Whether because of a desire to do harm through terrorist or anti-social behavior, or just because they are unwilling to assimilate into the Hungarian culture, this is trouble and expense that the people of Hungary and its government apparently do not want.

The critical threshold for success on this vote is not expected to be the margin of victory for President Orban, with polls showing around 75% against the proposal (which means Orban wins), it is whether the turnout requirement of 50% will be met.

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Hungary holds referendum on EU mandatory migrant plan

People in Hungary are voting in a referendum on accepting mandatory EU quotas for relocating migrants. Right-wing Prime Minister Viktor Orban opposes plans to relocate a total of 160,000 migrants across the bloc. Under the scheme, announced after last year's migrant crisis, Hungary would receive 1,294 asylum seekers.

Opinion polls suggest strong support for a rejection among those who say they will vote. To be valid, turnout needs to be over 50% of voters.

During the migrant crisis, Hungary became a transit state on the Western Balkan route to Germany and other EU destinations. In an effort to curb the influx, it sealed its border with Serbia and Croatia. The measure was popular at home but criticised by human rights groups.

Voters are being asked: "Do you want the European Union to be able to mandate the obligatory resettlement of non-Hungarian citizens into Hungary even without the approval of the National Assembly?" When asked if a "Yes" win means he will resign, Mr Orban said: "Yes".
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Old 10-02-2016, 09:40 AM
 
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What happens next? This happens next. Theresa May's speech earlier today....... Sorry for the low sound, it gets louder later. This is historical. The first brick removed from the EU wall......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuH3zgz_1xQ
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Old 10-02-2016, 11:40 AM
 
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What happens next? This happens next. Theresa May's speech earlier today....... Sorry for the low sound, it gets louder later. This is historical. The first brick removed from the EU wall......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuH3zgz_1xQ
Epic.

Has there been a more pivotal, more important, more seminal speech delivered in the world this year? Or this maybe even this decade? I am not immediately aware of it if there has been.
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Old 10-02-2016, 05:28 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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Obviously the people were not happy hence the Brexit vote to leave the EU.
Remind me what the vote was.... It wasn't a landslide.

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After all, what matters more, the people or the elitist? government is supposed to work for the people, not the other way around.
What happens when the people don't fully understand what they are voting on?
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Old 10-02-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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The elitists clearly do not agree.
Are you saying that 46% of the UK is the upper class?
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Old 10-02-2016, 05:32 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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What happens next? This happens next. Theresa May's speech earlier today....... Sorry for the low sound, it gets louder later. This is historical. The first brick removed from the EU wall......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuH3zgz_1xQ
Great speech. It will be very difficult to put words into actions however. It will be interesting to watch what happens to the UK.
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