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Old 03-15-2019, 06:17 PM
 
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It's kind of confused but it looks like 50 can be revoked via an executive order. The EU side would be fine with it, the UK side is a grey area that would likely only be settled in court, by which time the withdrawal would have be long enacted.

She would never have alluded to it even if it was on the cards as it would have got her straight out the door.

Who knows what's actually in her head if the crunch comes, she's finished either way. Maybe She'd toss a coin for it.
Theresa May is sincerely more likely to walk across the dispatch box during Prime Minister's Question Time and kick Jeremy Corbyn right in the goolies than she is to unilaterally revoke Article 50. And I believe that you know that.

 
Old 03-15-2019, 07:44 PM
 
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Theresa May is sincerely more likely to walk across the dispatch box during Prime Minister's Question Time and kick Jeremy Corbyn right in the goolies than she is to unilaterally revoke Article 50. And I believe that you know that.

Haha. I do believe that would even strike John Bercow totally speechless.
 
Old 03-16-2019, 01:02 AM
 
Location: England
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Haha. I do believe that would even strike John Bercow totally speechless.
Under the Speakers chair in Parliament is a huge gold mace. Many years ago, before the television cameras were allowed in the house, a politician called Michael Heseltine, grabbed it, and waved it in a threatening manner at the opposition politicians, then physical fighting broke out. He was one of the leaders who brought Margaret Thatcher down. That sure would have made great television.......

https://www.theguardian.com/century/...106906,00.html
 
Old 03-16-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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The French are insisting that Brexit with no deal will happen if the UK does not have a clear plan in place by Wednesday. And by all appearances, it seems unlikely that they will. It could well just be empty posturing, but they sure have been consistent across the EU leadership group by promoting the same narrative on this if it is.
'No-deal' would prevail if UK's Brexit plan unclear by next week - France

Britain would only be granted an extension to the Article 50 Brexit negotiation period if its parliament passed the deal on the table or if a clear alternative plan emerged by next week’s EU summit, a French official said on Friday.

“Without clarity - an adoption of the Withdrawal Agreement or a clear alternative - a no-deal would prevail,” the official at President Emmanuel Macron’s office said. A short extension of a few weeks if May’s deal was passed next week would be granted by the other 27 EU members at a summit in Brussels next week, the official said, but not if May’s deal failed for a third time.

A long delay would only be acceptable if May put forward a clear alternative or proposed a second referendum or an election. “This request would be considered, but it’s not a given,” the official said.
Of course the second referendum idea was voted on just two days ago and failed by a rather spectacular 249 vote margin. So that is wishful thinking in the extreme by the author of this article. The idea of the UK proposing that they participate in the EU elections is also a non-starter, as that will be received as a reversal of Brexit itself, which of course no MP has even proposed up to this point, as far as I am aware.

So what the UK's plan might be, I do not know. Honestly the only real alternative I see to Brexit with no deal is if the EU changes its mind at the last minute and allows for a firm end date to the backstop, which is the issue which is currently blocking a deal between the EU and the UK. I still think this could happen and it would be unusual if this sort of brinkmanship did not extend until the last minute on a negotiation like this. So as nerve-racking as this may seem to many people, this could still very well be resolved before March 29 to everyone's begrudging satisfaction.

But leave the UK will, either with or without a deal. That much I am ready to predict.

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Old 03-17-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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THE EU is insisting that the UK must participate in the May 23-26, 2019 EU Parliamentary elections if it seeks any extension past the end of June 2019
EU gives UK July deadline for Brexit delay if country doesn't participate in European elections

Brexit can't be delayed beyond July 1 unless Britain takes part in the European Parliament election at the end of May, according to an EU document presented to ambassadors of member countries on Friday. The document, prepared by EU officials, sets out the legal issues that would be raised by Britain requesting an extension of the Article 50 period, as Prime Minister Theresa May is expected to do next week.

The text states that a withdrawing member country is legally bound to organize European Parliament elections between May 23 and May 26 this year. If the member country does not do so and the new Parliament holds its first session on July 2 with that country still in the bloc, the EU institutions "cease being able to operate in a secure legal context."

"It follows that no extension should be granted beyond 1 July unless the European Parliament elections are held at the mandatory date," the document says.
Voting to participate in EU Parliamentary elections would be political death for a huge portion of the current parliament and especially for the Tory party.

As part of Theresa May's effort to scare MP's into voting for her deal next week (the third time to vote for this after two previous massive failures), she has been suggesting that a long extension may be the only alternative. Of course she knows that is not actually the case, as she herself has stated publicly, more times than can be easily counted, that the alternative to no deal is to agree to a deal. No deal is the current default, so that is without question still an extremely viable possibility here.

It appears that the third vote on her deal is poised to fall short again. Will the Parliament then vote to participate in Parliamentary elections in May and stay in the EU, effectively revoking Brexit out in the open, on television live for all to see? I could be wrong of course, but I do not believe that they will.

The alternative then appears to be leaving either with or without a deal.
 
Old 03-17-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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Stockpiling of food, drink and medicine by British people in anticpation of a Brexit with no deal is apparently well underway, with the pace expected to increase substantially in the weeks to come.
Brits spend over £4.6 billion as Brexit stockpiling peaks

Britons have spent over £4.6 billion stockpiling household goods in preparation for a hard Brexit, according to new research.

A survey carried out by finance provider Premium Credit shows that 17% of the country has started hoarding food, drink and medicine – with about 2.4 million people having spent more than £500 stockpiling.

A further 6.1 million have spent up to £500 while one in five, or 19%, have spent over £1,000 on hoarding
 
Old 03-17-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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Despite Nigel Farage, from what I've read EU leaders will likely approve a Brexit extension if there is some sort of reason other than magical thinking.

Is there some reason other than magical thinking?

Is there any reason to believe three months from now things will be different?
 
Old 03-17-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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Stockpiling of food, drink and medicine by British people in anticpation of a Brexit with no deal is apparently well underway, with the pace expected to increase substantially in the weeks to come.
Brits spend over £4.6 billion as Brexit stockpiling peaks

Britons have spent over £4.6 billion stockpiling household goods in preparation for a hard Brexit, according to new research.

A survey carried out by finance provider Premium Credit shows that 17% of the country has started hoarding food, drink and medicine – with about 2.4 million people having spent more than £500 stockpiling.

A further 6.1 million have spent up to £500 while one in five, or 19%, have spent over £1,000 on hoarding
So...it's all going swimmingly, huh? Nothing to worry about, Brexit is going to be good for the U.K. (But you best stockpile food and medicines for the long haul, because when we say "good" we really mean 'bad".)

I feel bad for the Brits facing this cluster****, but it is going to be very amusing, as this fiasco unfolds, watching the Brexiteers as they continue to assure us that, despite the country facing shortages of essential goods and falling into financial turmoil, everything is just peachy. You guys have your work cut out for you going forward.
 
Old 03-17-2019, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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So...it's all going swimmingly, huh? Nothing to worry about, Brexit is going to be good for the U.K. (But you best stockpile food and medicines for the long haul, because when we say "good" we really mean 'bad".)

I feel bad for the Brits facing this cluster****, but it is going to be very amusing, as this fiasco unfolds, watching the Brexiteers as they continue to assure us that, despite the country facing shortages of essential goods and falling into financial turmoil, everything is just peachy. You guys have your work cut out for you going forward.
Britain produces 52% of the food it cosumes, the rest comes from cross the world via container ships and less than 30% of our food comes from the EU.

It should also be noted that a recent report stated that the UK could produce more of it's own food, indeed Brexit could be very good for British farmers and fishermen.

In terms of imported foof, buy a chicken sandwich in a UK Supermarket and look at the ingredients and you will most likely find the chicken is from Thailand, browse the wine section in any British supermarket and you will see wines from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Chile, Argentina, USA etc.

Go the meat section and you will see New Zealand Lamb or the fruit section and see bananas from South America.

Indeed most non EU countries would be delighted if Britain left the EU as they will just export more of their produce to the detriment of European suppliers.

The biggest losers will be the Irish Cattle Farmers who rely on the UK to take 67% of their produce, the French are the next biggest exporters to the UK, and then you have Spanih oranges and Italian tomatos etc. Obviously if no deal is done then I will feel very sory for the Irish, French, Spanish, Italian farmers and wine growers.

However all of these things can be easily sourced from elsewhere, far more cheaply in the global marketplace.

Indeed the EU Common Agricture Policy subsidises EU produce giving them an unfair advantage over US Agriculture and even in relation to third world countries which it helps keep poor.

I am surprised any American would support the EU and it's protective practices, which stops American farmers from being able to export to the EU.

As for pharma drugs, the UK has a significant industry with British companies such as GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and Astrazeneca, and we receive pharma from the US and across the world, and there have been plans put in place some pharma supplies will not be effected.

All this project fear scaremongering is just nonsense and it should be noted that the 83% of sane people in the UK aren't stockpiling a single thing.

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Old 03-17-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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Stockpiling of food, drink and medicine by British people in anticpation of a Brexit with no deal is apparently well underway, with the pace expected to increase substantially in the weeks to come.
Brits spend over £4.6 billion as Brexit stockpiling peaks

Britons have spent over £4.6 billion stockpiling household goods in preparation for a hard Brexit, according to new research.

A survey carried out by finance provider Premium Credit shows that 17% of the country has started hoarding food, drink and medicine – with about 2.4 million people having spent more than £500 stockpiling.

A further 6.1 million have spent up to £500 while one in five, or 19%, have spent over £1,000 on hoarding
That's just a normal trip to Costco tbh.
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